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APG Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:44am

Game 6 NBA Finals Plays
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 897798)
Helluva game. Very tough to officiate. I would like two videos please.

44 seconds left in OT, LeBron James drive, Danny Green strip.

5 seconds left in OT, Manu Ginobili drive, Ray Allen strip.


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JugglingReferee Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:00am

1. Oops.
2. Great no call.
3. Huge stop by Bosh!

Steven Tyler Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:41am

1. Bronny whined so it must have been a foul.
2. Is a foul, or call the very obvious travelling violation.
3. All Bosh had to guard was a small area from the 3 point line with a small amount of time on the clock. Now in the lane with Tim Duncan is a whole different matter.

Camron Rust Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897814)
1. Bronny whined so it must have been a foul.

:)

The only thing even close to a foul there was Lebron's elbow in the defender's chest.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897814)
2. Is a foul, or call the very obvious travelling violation.

I too have a foul, twice even. Allen was across the top of Ginobli's arm as he was gathering the ball and again as he was trying to bring it up to shoot.

In HS or NCAA, that would/should be a travel (as was #1 too). But the NBA rules (depending on which copy you read) say it is or is not a travel.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897814)
3. All Bosh had to guard was a small area from the 3 point line with a small amount of time on the clock. Now in the lane with Tim Duncan is a whole different matter.

I'm OK with that no call.

Steven Tyler Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897815)
:)

The only thing even close to a foul there was Lebron's elbow in the defender's chest.

I too have a foul, twice even. Allen was across the top of Ginobili's arm as he was gathering the ball and again as he was trying to bring it up to shoot.

In HS or NCAA, that would/should be a travel (as was #1 too). But the NBA rules (depending on which copy you read) say it is or is not a travel.

I'm OK with that no call.

James gets away with that move on a consistent basis. Ginobili gets that called on a consistent basis. Bosh, the third member of the Big 2 1/2 finally earned a bit of his paycheck for once.

Blindolbat Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 897811)
1. Oops.
2. Great no call.
3. Huge stop by Bosh!

Agreed on all counts.

just another ref Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by camron rust (Post 897815)
:)

i too have a foul, twice even. Allen was across the top of ginobli's arm as he was gathering the ball and again as he was trying to bring it up to shoot.

+1

MathReferee Wed Jun 19, 2013 08:53am

1. Great no call.
2. I can see why it wasn't called. L is only one with a good look and Diaw crosses in front of him right as the play was finishing. Did it look like he was about to call it, then put his arm back down? Or do you think he was making the ol' "he hit the ball" signal? Javie's explanation was something along the lines of officials want to be 100% sure in this situation and that Allen hit the ball first, causing it to come loose, then the contact occurred.
3. Good block. No foul.

maroonx Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:36am

1. good no call.
2. good no call
3. perfect block.

Can we add that Green traveled after receiving the ball of the screen right before Bosh's block?

APG Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:41am

Gathered the ball with the right foot on the floor, step one occurred with the left foot, and step two came with the right foot. Completely legal in the NBA.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:45am

I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

Rich Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897850)
I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

Absolutely a clean block up top. Contact incidental to the block, plus some embellishment to the floor. I wouldn't call this a foul in a HS game -- it would be a huge bail out.

I thought the Ginobli play was great defense, too.

(I may have posted my thoughts elsewhere, so apologies if you're reading this for the second time.)

maroonx Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:52am

So in that play the right foot can return to the floor before releasing the ball?

APG Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 897852)
So in that play the right foot can return to the floor before releasing the ball?

Sure. The pivot foot, under NBA rules, is the left foot in this situation.

MathReferee Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 897853)
Sure. The pivot foot, under NBA rules, is the left foot in this situation.

And this is why I do not even try to comment on travelling in the NBA, not even in the office. Thanks APG for your infinite NBA rules knowledge.

Raymond Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897850)
I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

All the freezing is great, but bottomline is that Bosh blocked that shot first and the amount and type of contact that ensue did not rise to the level of a foul. I would no-call that in a HS varsity game and in my college games.

ballgame99 Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:50am

1) great no call, ball should have come back to SA though
2) tough play, ok with no call, probably would have been fine with a foul too
3) good no call, it looks like a lot of contact, but most of Green's backward motion is due to the force of the shot being blocked like it was, not body contact.

APG Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:52am

1. Play one was reviewed and overturned. The ball was given back to San Antonio.

jeschmit Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897850)
I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.

How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 897864)
How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.

That screen didn't approach the level of the screen LBJ made earlier in the series - and THAT one had people disagreeing. I don't think this was an illegal screen at all (or a travel as noted above).

maroonx Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:29pm

Sinking a few free throws makes this all moot. That being said. Too much contact by the screener to free up Green to initiate the NBA travel. Don't understand no whistle by L, T, or C on that.

bainsey Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:20pm

1. Nothing.
2. Foul, Allen, for the same reasons Cam stated.
3. Nothing, clean.

Jay R Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:36pm

Regarding the Bosh block, I'm going with the minority here. The body contact occurred before the block. Usually, that results in a foul call.

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 20, 2013 01:46pm

I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.

JRutledge Thu Jun 20, 2013 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.

I think you are buying into media hype.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Jun 20, 2013 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897971)
I think you are buying into media hype.

Peace

Except for the 48 minutes of play, I agree with you. During the regular season, too many players/teams mail it in. Particularly in the late season where you see teams tanking on purpose to increase their draft odds. How is that sport?

Adam Thu Jun 20, 2013 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.

Seems to me you're claiming the officials were intentionally cheating in favor of Jordan.

BillyMac Thu Jun 20, 2013 06:20pm

Broken Leg ??? What Broken Leg ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

If you want to see intense competition, watch the Stanley Cup finals, in fact, the entire Stanley Cup Tournament. Sixty minutes of action, night, after night, after night.

Steven Tyler Sat Jun 22, 2013 05:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897993)
If you want to see intense competition, watch the Stanley Cup finals, in fact, the entire Stanley Cup Tournament. Sixty minutes of action, night, after night, after night.

I would agree if I liked hockey........but it is the time they don't look for any reason to fight, or the goons don't get ice time. I've never been a fan of two halftimes, but at least they skate sudden death overtime..

Steven Tyler Sat Jun 22, 2013 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 897982)
Seems to me you're claiming the officials were intentionally cheating in favor of Jordan.

The NBA of the 90's was so watered down with mediocre teams, I guarantee you owners didn't want to see their cash cow sitting on the bench in foul trouble. Nor did they want to see him shooting 4-17 from the field with only 4 foul shot attempts.

Remember it took the greatest player "ever" 7 years to play on a championship team in the NBA. Not to mention his basketball owner letting him go play AA baseball for two years at one of White Sox MiLB affiliates amid rumors of gambling.

I'm not saying cheating, but the rules got bent plenty of times.

BillyMac Sun Jun 23, 2013 08:58am

Thirds ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 898165)
I've never been a fan of two halftimes, but at least they skate sudden death overtime.

It does seem odd to those of us who are also fans of football, basketball, soccer, et al.

Although it does mean that I get to drink twice as much beer.

APG Sun Jun 23, 2013 03:21pm

Both the steal and block shot were determined to be no call correct.

AremRed Sun Jun 23, 2013 04:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 898217)
Both the steal and block shot were determined to be no call correct.

By whom? When? Link please?

Raymond Sun Jun 23, 2013 06:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 898228)
By whom? When? Link please?

Often when you go to camp you hear things from folks who are privy to such information. APG was in a camp this weekend, maybe that's where he heard/saw it.

Multiple Sports Sun Jun 23, 2013 09:42pm

Philly or Charlotte
 
APG which camp were you at.....

I'm thinking Philly....

Raymond Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898253)
APG which camp were you at.....

I'm thinking Philly....

I was in Philly last weekend, what was there this weekend?

Multiple Sports Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 898258)
I was in Philly last weekend, what was there this weekend?

Court Club this weekend ( Ed Rush ).....you must have been at Crawford's camp in Villanova last weekend.....

Was our boy Battista running around talking about active feet and a staggered stance......:D:D:D:D

Raymond Mon Jun 24, 2013 07:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898261)
Court Club this weekend ( Ed Rush ).....you must have been at Crawford's camp in Villanova last weekend.....

Was our boy Battista running around talking about active feet and a staggered stance......:D:D:D:D

Nope, Al was not there....only NBA officials plus Wunderlich.

OKREF Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:12am

Just my opinion here. High school rules.

1. Only foul here is on LBJ. Traveling.

2. Probably a foul, if not it is also traveling.

3. That's a pretty good block, no foul for me. I do have two questionable screens. One on Ginobili, and one on Splitter.

Raymond Wed Jun 26, 2013 07:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898253)
APG which camp were you at.....

I'm thinking Philly....

And don't forget, Virginians are in charge of NBA & D-League officiating. ;)

Multiple Sports Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 898523)
And don't forget, Virginians are in charge of NBA & D-League officiating. ;)

Yeah but my sources who watched you work at Villanova two weekends ago told me that Toliver's and Vaden's skill set has not trickled down to your game yet.........:D:D:D:D

Raymond Wed Jun 26, 2013 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898591)
Yeah but my sources who watched you work at Villanova two weekends ago told me that Toliver's and Vaden's skill set has not trickled down to your game yet.........:D:D:D:D

I should have stayed in VA and got some direct instruction instead of dealing with you northerners. ;)

Raymond Wed Jun 26, 2013 01:18pm

But back to the original point...

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 898217)
Both the steal and block shot were determined to be no call correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 898228)
By whom? When? Link please?

APG lives in Virginia and went to camp in Virginia and Virginians are in charge of NBA & D-League officiating.

BillyMac Wed Jun 26, 2013 03:27pm

Let's Play Name That Virginian ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 898523)
Virginians are in charge of NBA & D-League officiating.

http://www.tv-cowboys.com/images/Virginian3men.jpg

Multiple Sports Wed Jun 26, 2013 04:15pm

Slow day at work.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 898613)

Slow day in the lab......BM ??????

BTW - This is my 400 post....Can I be expecting anything in the mail....maybe an
Officiating.com tshirt or possibly a BMac autographed belt ?????

Rich Wed Jun 26, 2013 04:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898619)
Slow day in the lab......BM ??????

BTW - This is my 400 post....Can I be expecting anything in the mail....maybe an
Officiating.com tshirt or possibly a BMac autographed belt ?????

Sorry, then we'd have to offer something to the other 296 people with 400 or more posts.

Multiple Sports Wed Jun 26, 2013 05:21pm

Are you telling me that 296 people don't want autographed belts by BMAC.....

Rich Wed Jun 26, 2013 05:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898623)
Are you telling me that 296 people don't want autographed belts by BMAC.....

I know I do. I'm not sure where I'd wear it, though -- my basketball pants don't have belt loops. :D

JRutledge Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898623)
Are you telling me that 296 people don't want autographed belts by BMAC.....

At least one of those people does not for sure. ;)

Peace

Multiple Sports Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 898635)
At least one of those people does not for sure. ;)

Peace

OK....so now we are down to 295.....but you didn't know the belt belt comes with
a pocket protector and horned rim glasses....

AremRed Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 898624)
my basketball pants don't have belt loops. :D

Twist: Neither do BillyMac's. He just wears the belt on top of his pleatless pants.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898636)
OK....so now we are down to 295.....but you didn't know the belt belt comes with
a pocket protector and horned rim glasses....

Don't forget a list of basketball rules myths!

Rich Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898636)
OK....so now we are down to 295.....but you didn't know the belt belt comes with
a pocket protector and horned rim glasses....

When I think of Billy and his belt, I picture him looking like Blane Reichelt.

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 27, 2013 01:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 898638)
When I think of Billy and his belt, I picture him looking like Blane Reichelt.

For those that don't know, Blane is a former NBA official, #37.

He's in the middle of this photo:

http://www.nbra.net/Portals/0/Graphi...20Reichelt.jpg

The reason they are wearing #62, is in support of (Tom) Washington (#62 years ago), whom the league didn't support when they should have.

Edit: Michael Henderson, not Tom Washington.

BillyMac Thu Jun 27, 2013 06:14am

And A Slide Rule, Don't Forget The Slide Rule ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898636)
The belt belt comes with a pocket protector and horned rim glasses.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.48192...07669&pid=15.1

Multiple Sports Thu Jun 27, 2013 07:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 898640)
For those that don't know, Blane is a former NBA official, #37.

He's in the middle of this photo:

http://www.nbra.net/Portals/0/Graphi...20Reichelt.jpg

The reason they are wearing #62, is in support of (Tom) Washington (#62 years ago), whom the league didn't support when they should have.

JR -

62 was in support of Michael Henderson not Tom Washington...

JugglingReferee Thu Jun 27, 2013 08:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 898649)
JR -

62 was in support of Michael Henderson not Tom Washington...

Ah yes, thanks for the correction.


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