NFHS June 6, 2013 Release ...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

A visible count also gives information, so what's the big deal?

Do you tell them what the count is or yell pass it when you get to 4?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Do you tell them what the count is or yell pass it when you get to 4?

Do you yell out "tipped ball"?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Do you yell out "tipped ball"?

Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

You make it sound like people are actually paying that close attention to us in the first place. Sorry, they do not. I have called closely guarded violations and my signal is rather deliberate and teams are often surprised when the violation by me is called. You are giving players too much credit for watching what we are doing. Usually a coach is the one yelling out that we started a count (In my experience) and that is when the ball is isolated and not moving near the division line.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

Me, personally, no. But I've met some officials who do. Also some who count out loud.

I think this is a whole bunch ado about nothing. Most times the tip signal is given immediately as information to whomever is looking. It's not like we're continously giving the signal until the ball is recovered or like a player turns to us as the ball is rolling away then we give the signal in response.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think this is a whole bunch ado about nothing.

I agree...there was no problem that needed fixing. The only thing that I take issue with is the NFHS's stated purpose that it is intended to communicate to the players...not that they'll actually be able to see it and use the info. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Most times the tip signal is given immediately as information to whomever is looking.

I think this signal is for the coaches. If a coach is expecting a back-court violation, the tip signal given by one or even two officials lets him know why no call is being made.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I think this signal is for the coaches. If a coach is expecting a back-court violation, the tip signal given by one or even two officials lets him know why no call is being made.

That could always have been done after it is picked up.