The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:27pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,010
Any creepy referees in Denver area?

Anyone know this guy?

7NEWS - Girl basketball players in Lakewood told police 'creepy' referee kept groping them in games - Local Story
__________________
If you ain't first, you're LAST!!!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:42pm
Official & Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,379
That story brings up a couple issues...

1) Always be cognizant of where you're handing a female player the ball...especially if they are short. I aim for the gut so any slight misses don't end up in the wrong place. Not a bad idea to step back afterward either.

2) Background checks...since Florida is a haven for freaks like this guy, we submit fingerprints and a background check to the state before being registered...required by legislation of all adults coming in contact with students (known as the Jessica Lunsford Act). I think a number of states have similar checks.
__________________
Calling it both ways...since 1999
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:52pm
9/11 - Never Forget
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 5,642
Send a message via Yahoo to grunewar
With all the video out there, you'de figure this one would be pretty easy to catch.
__________________
There was the person who sent ten puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
I know him

And have worked with him several times. I never noticed anything unusual and I have a pretty good eye for seeing everything on the court. I'm also well aware of stuff off the court.

Toren
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:55pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Zebra View Post
That story brings up a couple issues...

1) Always be cognizant of where you're handing a female player the ball...especially if they are short. I aim for the gut so any slight misses don't end up in the wrong place. Not a bad idea to step back afterward either.
....
If I'm handing the ball to a thrower-in I'm leaving it in a position so that they have to grab it from me or I do a short (very short) toss. I never put into their body.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:57pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Denver Colorado
Posts: 736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Zebra View Post
That story brings up a couple issues...

1) Always be cognizant of where you're handing a female player the ball...especially if they are short. I aim for the gut so any slight misses don't end up in the wrong place. Not a bad idea to step back afterward either.

2) Background checks...since Florida is a haven for freaks like this guy, we submit fingerprints and a background check to the state before being registered...required by legislation of all adults coming in contact with students (known as the Jessica Lunsford Act). I think a number of states have similar checks.
1) I tend to bounce the ball on almost all throw in plays. I never thought it would be helpful in this way, I just like the way it gives me an immediate angle to see plays.

2) Anytime any profession is dealing with kids, background checks should be required.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 03:58pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Wow. I'm not sure background checks would have caught this guy, as his sole conviction was for misdemeanor assault. He was arrested for sexual assault, but the charges were reduced.

Stupid, though, regardless. It's just weird to me that it only happened in one game, or was only reported in one game. How does a parent not catch this when it's so out in the open like that? It doesn't make sense.

The lie he apparently told was in response to whether he had ever been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor other than a traffic offense. Had he answered that truthfully, I still don't know that he would have been barred. I don't know the CHSAA policy on officials with 15-year old assault convictions.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.

Last edited by Adam; Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 03:59pm. Reason: fixed
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:01pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 8,033
"Then the referee would, again, brush a teen player across her breasts with both hands after handing her the ball for an inbounds pass. Or he would grab a player's buttocks, according to police records obtained by 7NEWS."

Really? How would one brush with both hands and not have someone go ballistic. How would one grab "buttocks" and not have someone stop them. I guarantee that if this happened in my daughter's game - the player would smack his arm away, the coach would step up, and if that failed, so would the fans. There's no WAY this happened during games in public gyms.

""Okay, this is getting weird," one girl recalled thinking to herself when she spoke with police detectives." --- what an incredibly and not believably mild reaction...

Sorry ... I don't buy this at all.
__________________
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'”

West Houston Mike
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:02pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toren View Post
1) I tend to bounce the ball on almost all throw in plays. I never thought it would be helpful in this way, I just like the way it gives me an immediate angle to see plays.

2) Anytime any profession is dealing with kids, background checks should be required.
1, me too, and me too.

2. I'm not as convinced that background checks would help, or are necessary. We've talked about it before, but the public nature of all of our contact with the kids significantly reduces the risk of this sort of thing. Further, I'm not overly comfortable with background check information being kept on file somewhere. There are a lot of details I have yet to see hashed out that give me pause.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:08pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 8,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
1, me too, and me too.

2. I'm not as convinced that background checks would help, or are necessary. We've talked about it before, but the public nature of all of our contact with the kids significantly reduces the risk of this sort of thing. Further, I'm not overly comfortable with background check information being kept on file somewhere. There are a lot of details I have yet to see hashed out that give me pause.
Various sports, various organizations, I probably get 6-8 background checks a year. I have no issue with them. And honestly, just the fact that they make you fill out the permission sheet to let them run BC's on you is likely enough to filter out the truly hard cases.
__________________
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'”

West Houston Mike
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:14pm
Official & Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,379
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
If I'm handing the ball to a thrower-in I'm leaving it in a position so that they have to grab it from me or I do a short (very short) toss. I never put into their body.
Agreed...but ya have to hold it somewhere for them to grab it.
__________________
Calling it both ways...since 1999
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:18pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Zebra View Post
Agreed...but ya have to hold it somewhere for them to grab it.
Not close enough to touch them in an inappropriate place, that's for sure.

I think I'll bounce from now on, even on the FC endline.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 04:24pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: A little east of there.
Posts: 650
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
If I'm handing the ball to a thrower-in I'm leaving it in a position so that they have to grab it from me or I do a short (very short) toss. I never put into their body.
This.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 05:37pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,463
This just does not sound very possible without someone other than the players making comments. Unfortunately we contact player often and sometimes very innocently. I know I have bushed cheerleaders and did so either running into them or them not in the proper spot. It just sounds fishy if they have to look at video to determine this happened. I smell a rat.

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:32pm
beware big brother
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: illinois
Posts: 994
Another reason to stay away from girls/woman's basketball. Now if we could only get cheerleaders outlawed or moved to another gym and out of our way!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
San Antonio/Denver OKREF Basketball 5 Thu Apr 11, 2013 02:04pm
OPI in Denver/SD Monday Night game zm1283 Football 2 Tue Oct 16, 2012 02:45pm
New Orleans/Denver bisonlj Football 9 Wed Sep 24, 2008 07:39am
San Diego/Denver eyezen Football 118 Fri Sep 19, 2008 07:42am
Denver stripes Basketball 23 Thu Apr 25, 2002 11:32pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:55pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1