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Have watched it three times and still am not certain that his action is illegal.
I see the right hand in the net, through the ring, which then withdraws prior to the arrival of the ball on after the bounce. This is followed by his left hand swatting the ball away after it contacts the ring for the 2nd time. I can't tell if the ball was still within the cylinder or not. Not sure about NBA terminology, but for NCAA/NFHS the decision would fall under the BI rule, not GT, because the bouncing ball was on the way up, not down, when touched. |
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NFHS: That's only one factor, there are others. For example, for goaltending, it has to be a try, or a tap. For basket interference, it can be a try, or a tap, or something else, like an inbounds pass that ends up on the rim, or a ball that ricochets off a player's shoulder that ends up on the rim.
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Since I can't tell from the video clip angle whether the ball is within the cylinder, I cited the upward motion of the ball at the time of player contact as the definitive reason that this couldn't be GT under NFHS/NCAA rules. Now if one could be positive that the ball was withing the cylinder, then one could cite that. |
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I would love to see any citations that include the statement "outside the cylinder" in the definition of goaltending, but without such, bainsey might have a point, and not the point on his head. NFHS 4-22: Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight. NFHS 4-6: Basket interference occurs when a player: ART. 1 Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket. ART. 2 Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
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I'm a bit surprised that some don't see this as an obvious call, in slo mo at least. Several angles show the ball to be in the cylinder when it's tapped by O'Neal. If it was one angle, I'd get it, 1 angle doesn't show enough - but when every single angle shows it inside the cylinder, it's rather obvious isn't it?
I will grant that it very likely was NOT going to go in on it's own - but that's not the criteria. In the cylinder when he touches it - that's the criteria. And I agree with Adam... stupid play.
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Joe Borgia explained the rule on "Make the Call" a couple weeks ago and showed examples of each.
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That makes it even more difficult to call and more likely to be inconsistent.
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