Womens championship game

[Rich]

I can only control the factors I can control. Whining about others isn't going to help me reach any goals.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I can only control the factors I can control. Whining about others isn't going to help me reach any goals.

Was someone whining somewhere in this thread? Seems to me that we were having a fairly logical conversation about things. Oh well...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Was someone whining somewhere in this thread? Seems to me that we were having a fairly logical conversation about things. Oh well...

See msg #3.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Was someone whining somewhere in this thread? Seems to me that we were having a fairly logical conversation about things. Oh well...

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Will be three females. The reverse sexism in the officiating of the women's game is sick. After all the complaining about not getting a decent shot at men's games, it is ironic to see how those in charge completely shut out males with their choices.

Sounds like whining to me.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Sounds like whining to me.

Peace

Maybe, maybe not. There is a bit of irony. It's ironic, after being raised to believe that people should be judged on merit rather than skin color or gender, to see people defending the idea that skin color should be considered when making officiating assignments. I'm not saying the idea doesn't have any merit, but the irony is there.

Just as it doesn't do any good for me to deny the merits of the assignment practice in question, it doesn't do any good to discount the irony, either.

tomegun is right, I don't understand. I'm trying, but sometimes the irony is easier to see. I'll just say this, responding with "you have no right to question" is counter-productive to the discussion.

I've seen shades of it in this discussion, but not enough to ruin a very good discussion on a very difficult issue.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've seen shades of it in this discussion, but not enough to ruin a very good discussion on a very difficult issue.

Other than a few posts responding to Nevada that have been deleted b/c of quoting him, I have just been reading and not contributing to this thread. It's of great interest to me but commenting on it reminds me too much of my day job.

I will say that I am pleasantly surprised with the quality and depth of the discussion, and the seeming willingness to listen to differing thoughts and perspectives.

I agree with much of what has been said. What started off on post#3 could have become very ugly very quickly, and apparently did. But thumbs up to those who kept it on track and constructive.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Other than a few posts responding to Nevada that have been deleted b/c of quoting him, I have just been reading and not contributing to this thread.

He might take things too far often but I agree with his sentiment. Many groups cry so hard for equality that they then start to over compensate in their benefit when they are finally given what they have fought/complained/whined/cried/argued about.

I am also sure that the officials that worked the game were deserving but you cannot cry for equality and then completely go the route that serves your group best when it fits your need(s). You just can't have it both ways. Yes, it frustrates me and no I don't have to like it.

[JRutledge]

Adam,

I just said it sounded like whining, I am not saying the discussion should not be had.

All I have mostly read in this specific discussion was comments that suggest there are considerations to race and gender. And I do not feel that is a bad thing when the participants want to be comfortable with who is on their games and in many cases certain people do not take the game seriously or look down on the situation because it is not where they want to be. I know I do not like girls and women's basketball and I know many like me. They should choose the people that want to be there most of all, but should consider things that will make the game go smoothly.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Adam,

I just said it sounded like whining, I am not saying the discussion should not be had.

All I have mostly read in this specific discussion was comments that suggest there are considerations to race and gender. And I do not feel that is a bad thing when the participants want to be comfortable with who is on their games and in many cases certain people do not take the game seriously or look down on the situation because it is not where they want to be. I know I do not like girls and women's basketball and I know many like me. They should choose the people that want to be there most of all, but should consider things that will make the game go smoothly.

Peace

I agree. I just find it unfortunate that players have been led to feel that if they get refs of the opposite race, it can negatively affect their game if they're playing a team predominantly of the opposite race. I would much rather disabuse them of these "out to get us" notions as opposed to caving to their desires to be represented.

I recognize, however, that's easier said than done, and coming from a guy represented by a majority of the population (maybe, depending on how hispanics are counted), I understand it's a bit weak. The odds of having an all-black officiating crew are significantly slimmer than an all-white crew. Both have been known to happen in my association, but I think we have a pretty fair mix here. Not that I've counted, but I'm going off of my observations of attendance (and leadership) at our association meetings.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

See msg #3.

Ahhhh...I had forgotten that that was how the thread started out.