Womens championship game

[Nevadaref]

I've personally seen female officials selected over more deserving male counterparts at both the HS and college levels for no other reason than their gender. It happens and it is wrong.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Disagree, and have every right to. I've personally seen female officials selected over more deserving male counterparts at both the HS and college levels for no other reason than their gender. It happens and it is wrong.

Hey, they might have made a bad call but at least they were consistent about it...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Disagree, and have every right to. I've personally seen female officials selected over more deserving male counterparts at both the HS and college levels for no other reason than their gender. It happens and it is wrong.

You specifically referenced this game. What does what you personally have witnessed in your corner of the world have to do with Pantoja, Mattingly, and Brooks?

I've seen white officials picked over more deserving black officials in my corner of the world. Does that mean Higgins, Cahill, Hess, etc didn't deserve their assignments? For a lawyer you sure do make some illogical and baseless statements.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You specifically referenced this game. What does what you personally have witnessed in your corner of the world have to do with Pantoja, Mattingly, and Brooks?

I've seen white officials picked over more deserving black officials in my corner of the world. Does that mean Higgins, Cahill, Hess, etc didn't deserve their assignments? For a lawyer you sure do make some illogical and baseless statements.

And who the f**k are you to say who should or shouldn't be moderating?

Exactly. I love when a certain group that has always been getting the opportunities are finally shut out and all of a sudden there is some "reverse discrimination." What was it when no Blacks or Women ever worked those games? And heck I still see an entire staff in many conferences that look nothing like the players, but if people were to cry discrimination there they would be wrong?

Peace

[Judtech]

I'm from Amish stock so.....
Was I the only one who watched the game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I'm from Amish stock so.....
Was I the only one who watched the game?

Probably. I know I did not see a minute of the game. And if no one is talking about the game and other issues, there you go.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I'm from Amish stock so.....
Was I the only one who watched the game?

Flipped to the game every now and then...saw it was a blowout. Kept it on the channel for the final 8 of the game.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I'm from Amish stock so.....
Was I the only one who watched the game?

I was working and while I could watch the men's game last night because it was streaming online, the women's game was not, so i only got to listen to the radio version, wasn't very exciting just to listen to.

[maroonx]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
CT blew the garbage off the floor.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nikki

I was working and while I could watch the men's game last night because it was streaming online, the women's game was not, so i only got to listen to the radio version, wasn't very exciting just to listen to.

No ESPN360? That's the one spot where you could watch it.

If I hadn't been getting ready for work (i.e., sleeping) I would have but I also could have guessed the result. I see baby steps in terms of more competition but until Geno goes away UConn won't either. That program and Tennessee are the constants for the past 20 years and UT may slip a bit without Coach Summitt. The athletic ability is evening out but the coaching gap is still pretty wide.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I see baby steps in terms of more competition but until Geno goes away UConn won't either. That program and Tennessee are the constants for the past 20 years and UT may slip a bit without Coach Summitt. The athletic ability is evening out but the coaching gap is still pretty wide.

Agreed. While Md, Stanford, ND and a few others have had some good programs over the past 10 yrs or so, they can't constantly keep up with the one or two elite programs.

It will be interesting to see how far Baylor slips nesxt season or if they can stay one of the better programs for an extended period of time.

[Nikki]

[QUOTE=JetMetFan;890267]No ESPN360? That's the one spot where you could watch it.QUOTE]

For some strange reason I could watch the mens games on the march madness site all day, but the ESPN 360 is a blocked site at my job...must be sexism

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Exactly. I love when a certain group that has always been getting the opportunities are finally shut out and all of a sudden there is some "reverse discrimination." What was it when no Blacks or Women ever worked those games? And heck I still see an entire staff in many conferences that look nothing like the players, but if people were to cry discrimination there they would be wrong?

Probably, but I don't think that was Nevada's point. I think this is ultimately about equality.

First of all, there's no such thing as "reverse discriminaton/sexism/bigotry." It either is or it isn't. If you use race/gender/creed/color/sexual orientation/etc. in your evaluation of somone, that flies in the face of equality, period. I think we can all agree with that.

If I'm comprehending Nevada's words correctly, I believe he wants to evaluate officials as individuals, and not favor any group based on the aforementioned. I can't honestly see what's wrong with that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Probably, but I don't think that was Nevada's point. I think this is ultimately about equality.

First of all, there's no such thing as "reverse discriminaton/sexism/bigotry." It either is or it isn't. If you use race/gender/creed/color/sexual orientation/etc. in your evaluation of somone, that flies in the face of equality, period. I think we can all agree with that.

If I'm comprehending Nevada's words correctly, I believe he wants to evaluate officials as individuals, and not favor any group based on the aforementioned. I can't honestly see what's wrong with that.

There are some who would disagree with this. At least, they would disagree with the idea that you shouldn't consider these criteria when assigning games. Rut has mentioned several times that it is helpful to have a racially mixed crew working a racially mixed game. That flies in the face of equality (although I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment).

Also, the counter to the point you impute to Nevada (I think you may be correct in your assessment of his point, but he can speak for himself) is that currently the men's side does not have equal opportunity for women to officiate. I have no idea whether this is true, as I have not been a woman trying to work men's college ball; nor have I really talked with any who have to get a better understanding.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

There are some who would disagree with this. At least, they would disagree with the idea that you shouldn't consider these criteria when assigning games. Rut has mentioned several times that it is helpful to have a racially mixed crew working a racially mixed game. That flies in the face of equality (although I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment).

You do get the jist of what I am saying. But I do not feel that having a racially mixed crew would still not be based on equality when in many cases the players on the floor would look like the players, coaches and fans. There are a lot of qualified officials of all colors and races that can work games. And in a sport where a certain segment in many cases dominates or are some of the better players, it would be advantageous to have officials that look like the players somewhere. And considering that rarely do I see three Black officials work two all-white teams very often (when it has happened, coaches made notice of it to the officials because it is so rare). Again that is my experience here. It might be different in other places. But I would say that Chicago and the suburbs are about as racially and socially segregated as any place I have seen in an urban area. For the record, it is not the white coaches that I have the most problems with, but that is another discussion for another day.

Peace