Louisville-Baylor PC & coach reaction clip

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I would probably not stick him for just sitting on the table, I would bet he said something also. I agree with you about letting her vent. Especially as the L and C passed.

I think all my supervisors would expect a T be assessed if a coach did that while or just after complaining about a call.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The two officials that had the best look didn't call a charge because it wasn't a charge. The T was running the other way and stopped to comeback for the call with the worst view of the 3. The L and C knew it and knew that call just changed the game unfairly. I bet they didn't want to double up on the wrong call by sticking the coach too making a bigger travesty of the situation. Perhaps the T knew it was a bad call too and decided to take their lumps rather than compound the situation.

I would agree with that being their thought process. But you just compounded one mistake (charge) with another (no T).

[OKREF]

Kim Mulkey interview with Jason Whitlock.

She doesn't regret saying it was to rough.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I would agree with that being their thought process. But you just compounded one mistake (charge) with another (no T).

Not necessarily. Calling the T could be viewed as compounding the original error if the call was clearly wrong as the T would penalize the same team that just got screwed.

If I've just completely botched a call, I'm going to give a coach a LOT of room to vent. If it is my partner's call that is botched, I'm going to let them decide how much room they're going to give.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not necessarily. Calling the T could be viewed as compounding the original error if the call was clearly wrong as the T would penalize the same team that just got screwed.

If I've just completely botched a call, I'm going to give a coach a LOT of room to vent. If it is my partner's call that is botched, I'm going to let them decide how much room they're going to give.

I agree, I've done it. I've even told the coach I made a bad call and they have 15 sec to let me have it (usually defuses it). But this case was so egregious you can't look past it. I may have needed to be clearer that I was speaking of this instance in particular.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I agree, I've done it. I've even told the coach I made a bad call and they have 15 sec to let me have it (usually defuses it). But this case was so egregious you can't look past it. I may have needed to be clearer that I was speaking of this instance in particular.

Maybe the call was so bad, the partners felt the the T had to be the one to make the decision. And perhaps the T knew it was a bad call (a game changing call in that situation) and she made the judgment that she was going to take whatever came.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Maybe the call was so bad, the partners felt the the T had to be the one to make the decision. And perhaps the T knew it was a bad call (a game changing call in that situation) and she made the judgment that she was going to take whatever came.

It was a pretty bad call. You may have a point.
It's her mess let her clean it up.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was a pretty bad call. You may have a point.
It's her mess let her clean it up.

Im usually all for having your partner's back. But after that call, and at that point in the game, I am NOT sticking Mulkey there unless she crosses more lines than she already crossed.

Maybe not a popular opinion among many here but I just wouldnt have done it there.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was a pretty bad call. You may have a point.
It's her mess let her clean it up.

I'm not going to factor in whether or not my partner missed a call when a coach is going nutso. Or the time left in the game. If they go nuts with 30 seconds left or because they thought a call was botched, they "decided the game" not me.

A technical foul is just another call. Coach behavior is a rule just like traveling. We make it so freakin' hard when we start justifying their behavior because we might have missed something. Expect respect. If you don't expect respect for yourself, do it for the next crew.

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was a pretty bad call. You may have a point.
It's her mess let her clean it up.

I don't think the call was so terrible that the coach's reaction should have been tolerated....the call was reasonable (other than coming from the T) even if a no-call would have been better....the Louisville player had established LGP...there was enough contact that the Baylor player also fell to the floor....two bodies were on the floor about six feet in front of the basket...the late whistle came when the Baylor player started driving to the void created by the "collision"...

She deserved a T and should have gotten one.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was a pretty bad call. You may have a point.
It's her mess let her clean it up.

Certainly it was the T's mess, but as soon as Coach changes her attention to one of her partners it becomes their issue too.

If I am working a game and one of my partners decides to take that they are going to ignore a tantrum directed at them that is their choice, but once that non-sense is directed at the rest of the crew it is open season.

She fully expected to get T'd and when she didn't it gave her more ammunition for her post game comments. This is not the only tirade she has gone on. It seems to me that we had a discussion a few years ago about her going ballistic.

I would think it will be difficult to put anyone of these officials on a Baylor game in the near future, especially Barlow (T). How can she T her up for anything now that the horse is out of the barn, down the dirt road, and across the county line?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Im usually all for having your partner's back. But after that call, and at that point in the game, I am NOT sticking Mulkey there unless she crosses more lines than she already crossed.

Maybe not a popular opinion among many here but I just wouldnt have done it there.

It may not be popular here, but I think you hit upon the exact thought process of the rest of that crew.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I don't think the call was so terrible that the coach's reaction should have been tolerated....the call was reasonable (other than coming from the T) even if a no-call would have been better....[COLOR="Red"]the Louisville player had established LGP...there was enough contact that the Baylor player also fell to the floor....two bodies were on the floor about six feet in front of the basket...the late whistle came when the Baylor player started driving to the void created by the "collision"...

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

+1.

This is the best summation of the entire mess that I've read.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by OKREF

L-Ville coach just got stuck for sitting on the scorers table. They had to get that. Even if the call was egregious. She can't act that way, two wrongs don't make a right.

BTW, one thing regarding the T on Walz (the Louisville HC). He'd been given a stop sign 4½ minutes into the game so it wasn't as though it was just pulled out of thin air. Not that giving him a T has any bearing on the lack of a T on Mulkey in this case. I just wanted to point it out so folks know Walz already had a warning when he got stuck.