Michigan-Kansas clips(s)

[JetMetFan]

[BillyMac]

Travel on the first shot. Held ball, or a blocked shot (play on), on the second shot.

[Rob1968]

2nd play: C sees the play from the other side, gives a signal that the ball had noot been controlled, and he was no-calling it. I tend to agree.

[JRutledge]

I do not have a travel on the first play as he gets control with his right foot coming down and then going up with the other foot on the floor.

The second play or rebound looked like a block. But we cannot see the ball or why he comes back down with the ball or why he even lost the ball. This looked to me live when I watched the play yesterday as a miss, but we cannot see the ball very well.

Full disclosure, the Lead is from my town and I have known him for years.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not have a travel on the first play as he gets control with his right foot coming down and then going up with the other foot on the floor.

I had the left foot as his pivot foot, but I can be wrong. I've been wrong at least one other time in my career.

[Camron Rust]

Travel on the first shot and nothing on the 2nd that was called a travel.

[Adam]

I've got nothing on the drive to the lane, or the rebound/shot.
Looks like a fumble to me on the rebound. Ugly no-call, but still a no-call.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I started a thread yesterday concerning the Flagrant Foul in the game so as to not hijack this thread. Jet Man was nice enough to first put my video request in this thread and now he as put it in the thread I started. I hope that all comments regarding the FF video are posted in the thread that I started so that we can keep the conversations on the videos easier to keep track of.

Thanks Jet Man.

MTD, Sr.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

2nd play: C sees the play from the other side, gives a signal that the ball had noot been controlled, and he was no-calling it. I tend to agree.

So what is the forums opinion on doing the above mentioned signal for tips and such? I have been encouraged not to do it as it is unnecessary. If you don't call it then there was no violation, no need to show a tip. Kind of along the lines of the not closely guarded position signal. If I am not counting, they aren't within 6 feet. No need for the not closely guarded signal.

If you aren't doing this "tipped" signal it prevents the disparity showing up between two partners looking at the same play. One calling and one passing.
Thoughts?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

So what is the forums opinion on doing the above mentioned signal for tips and such? I have been encouraged not to do it as it is unnecessary. If you don't call it then there was no violation, no need to show a tip. Kind of along the lines of the not closely guarded position signal. If I am not counting, they aren't within 6 feet. No need for the not closely guarded signal.

If you aren't doing this "tipped" signal it prevents the disparity showing up between two partners looking at the same play. One calling and one passing.
Thoughts?

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

[chapmaja]

Play 1: I've not nothing on either play, but I will admit, when I saw this live I agreed with the ref on a travel. From where the L is, he can't see that McGary doesn't have possession of the ball because it was knocked out of his hand by the defender. You see the C start signalling the juggling signal, but the L is already calling a travel. That's just one of those tough calls.

Play 2: I commented on the other thread about this. It had to be a tough decision between a FF1 and a FF2. I don't like the officiating being overly officious in the tourney, but that was a good review.

[Camron Rust]

This is exactly why you don't call a travel unless you can see the ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Play 1: I've not nothing on either play, but I will admit, when I saw this live I agreed with the ref on a travel. From where the L is, he can't see that McGary doesn't have possession of the ball because it was knocked out of his hand by the defender. You see the C start signalling the juggling signal, but the L is already calling a travel. That's just one of those tough calls.
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I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

I am the same way, I'm just stating why I think the L made the call he did. I was actually surprised with Bieline's calm reaction to the call after watching it on replay.