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[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

2nd play: C sees the play from the other side, gives a signal that the ball had noot been controlled, and he was no-calling it. I tend to agree.

So what is the forums opinion on doing the above mentioned signal for tips and such? I have been encouraged not to do it as it is unnecessary. If you don't call it then there was no violation, no need to show a tip. Kind of along the lines of the not closely guarded position signal. If I am not counting, they aren't within 6 feet. No need for the not closely guarded signal.

If you aren't doing this "tipped" signal it prevents the disparity showing up between two partners looking at the same play. One calling and one passing.
Thoughts?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

So what is the forums opinion on doing the above mentioned signal for tips and such? I have been encouraged not to do it as it is unnecessary. If you don't call it then there was no violation, no need to show a tip. Kind of along the lines of the not closely guarded position signal. If I am not counting, they aren't within 6 feet. No need for the not closely guarded signal.

If you aren't doing this "tipped" signal it prevents the disparity showing up between two partners looking at the same play. One calling and one passing.
Thoughts?

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

That one I used to use quite a bit. I have gotten away from that on shot attempts unless the ball goes out of bounds then I will go up with the arm, indicate a tip and point for offensive team possession. (when working as the L). I figure otherwise everyone should be able to tell that since the whistle didn't blow on the attempt, I don't have a foul, the tip signal just indicates I saw the ball off the defense before it went OOB.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

Timing is everything. I would not use it until the play is over. But I have no problem with it being used to communicate what someone saw.

Peace