Marquette-Miami clip

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Thee is a case to be made that there was possession of the Miami player near half court...

I don't see how that's possible even with the bad camera angle. The ball NEVER stopped moving at any point which would indicate posession before it's picked up in back court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't see how that's possible even with the bad camera angle. The ball NEVER stopped moving at any point which would indicate posession before it's picked up in back court.

Not sure you can say the ball never stopped moving and that would not be the standard anyway. If the player had both hands on the ball, it could have been secured, for just a moment. I am just saying the calling official had a much better angle. I know if I was the official on the camera side I would not have ruled possession. But from the calling official's angle, maybe. I also do not think it is likely there was possession, just saying it was possible or I cannot rule it out in this case.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure you can say the ball never stopped moving and that would not be the standard anyway. If the player had both hands on the ball, it could have been secured, for just a moment. I am just saying the calling official had a much better angle. I know if I was the official on the camera side I would not have ruled possession. But from the calling official's angle, maybe. I also do not think it is likely there was possession, just saying it was possible or I cannot rule it out in this case.

Peace

So, you're saying the player could have gathered the ball there...that quickly? That doesn't seem like your normal view. Doesn't the player have to have it in their hands for some amount of time before you consider them to be holding the ball?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, you're saying the player could have gathered the ball there...that quickly? That doesn't seem like your normal view. Doesn't the player have to have it in their hands for some amount of time before you consider them to be holding the ball?

Well when we have people claiming in other threads that a player in an instance gathered the ball so quickly after a dribble, why would that not be possible here? Then again I just raised the issue that there could have been possession, I am not buying that but I never see the ball when the player reaches over to get the ball. It is possible? Certainly it is, but not likely and looks like a miss to me on most accounts.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well when we have people claiming in other threads that a player in an instance gathered the ball so quickly after a dribble, why would that not be possible here? Then again I just raised the issue that there could have been possession, I am not buying that but I never see the ball when the player reaches over to get the ball. It is possible? Certainly it is, but not likely and looks like a miss to me on most accounts.

Peace

I've tried to go frame-by-frame on my cpu/editing program. There may have been a point right before #35 White runs into #4 White that #4 White managed to cradle the ball momentarily in his right hand. Again, I say may. He definitely never got two hands on it because #35 ran into him at the moment that would've happened. I was really hoping CBS would've had an endline view of this one heading into the break.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I've tried to go frame-by-frame on my cpu/editing program. There may have been a point right before #35 White runs into #4 White that #4 White managed to cradle the ball momentarily in his right hand. Again, I say may. He definitely never got two hands on it because #35 ran into him at the moment that would've happened. I was really hoping CBS would've had an endline view of this one heading into the break.

I just simply raised the issue that it is "possible" to come to that conclusion. I never said it was for sure, but the Trail saw something. Honestly I would like to get his take on what happened in his judgment because otherwise I am like most here, the kicked the call. And in these situations I want to be sure, not kind of sure.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just simply raised the issue that it is "possible" to come to that conclusion. I never said it was for sure, but the Trail saw something. Honestly I would like to get his take on what happened in his judgment because otherwise I am like most here, the kicked the call. And in these situations I want to be sure, not kind of sure.

Peace

Sure, understood. I was just supporting your issue. I'd like to know what the T saw as well because based on what we can see and the fact the C came over to provide information, I'd hate to think the T just botched the call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just simply raised the issue that it is "possible" to come to that conclusion. I never said it was for sure, but the Trail saw something. Honestly I would like to get his take on what happened in his judgment because otherwise I am like most here, the kicked the call. And in these situations I want to be sure, not kind of sure.

Peace

I will ask him about it. He'll be an observer at a camp I'm attending.