Indiana / Temple
 

7:25 1st.
Ball hits official who is O/B. They played on??

13:10 in the second half.

A spin move by Zeller that resulted in a travel. Might have been a foul and I would like to see it again.

Peace

3:09 left. Temple drive. Foul called on the shot.

And the commentary should be also heard in the video. Those guys are really stupid.

Peace

If it's the same play I am thinking of, it shouldn't have been a travel. It was just a stumble but the pivot foot never returned to the floor before he shot his stumbling reverse lay-up.

I missed the entire replay, I was thinking the same thing at first. I guess it was a HS type call according to JAR. ;)

Peace

What is a HS type call?

And it was a joke.
 

A call that was not there. ;)

Peace

Backed up and looked at the play in question. I would love to hear how anybody could say that this wasn't a travel.

Oh, you mean a call that is "technically correct" but "is not made at this level."

Well Z gave you an explanation. I would love to see it again, but I thought it was not a travel when I saw it live. If anything I thought it was a foul that knocked Zeller off balance. But when he threw up the ball I am not convinced he traveled.

Peace

No, I mean not there. Not even technically correct.

Like a player bobbling the ball and a travel is called. Or a high dribble is called as a travel or carry call. Or a player that falls to the ground, lost the ball and then when they grab it a travel is called. I can guarantee I can see these will be called when I watch HS games.

Peace

Sad but true.

But every year NCAA goes further in the other direction.

We all agree, it is better to miss a travel than call one that didn't happen.

But, in my opinion, it is better to call one that isn't there than to miss/ignore
ten.

Could have been a foul, not sure about that. But the travel is undeniable. I thought that the right foot was the pivot, but even if you say no that the gather was still in progress at this point and the left was the pivot, the toe of his left foot hits the floor again before the release.

Anytime you miss a call it is bad. But there are some calls that are obvious either way and officials at the HS level or if they have not worked talented players, tend to call anything that looks funny. And I do not see a lot of clear travels missed at the NCAA level. And as I said, if you have to go back and look at slow motion replay to see if a foot slightly moved, but called one that clearly was not there, I will be OK with the one I slightly miss in full speed. Just like I could live with the RA play we have discussed if it is a matter of inches. I want to call the ones that standout.

Peace

video request IU/Temple
 

Example of a great call at I believe approximately 3:06 mark in second half

Shooting two....... Announcers(shocking) were perplexed by in the act of shooting

Nice job

Saw that play, loved the call.

I'd like to say those are JV calls.

But they're not. The better hs refs don't make them, but enough do to make my life difficult when these plays happen in my games.

I agree for the most part.

Actually in my experience the officials that get these calls right most of the time, are the ones that work college. So I love it when JAR tries to suggest that officials are just passing on calls on purpose. I see officials all the time at the HS level more worried about how much they call instead of just calling their game. Then again that is my experience.

Peace

Close play...... maybe a travel, maybe not. I didn't think so in real time but I can see that it might be in slo-mo. I think the lead reffed it on "that looked wrong" rather than watching pivot feet. He got lucky. :-) I think the outside officials have better looks on those plays.

This is not a new concept and I was not alone in the opinion. From '07:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...traveling.html





And from last year:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...avel-much.html

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So, even after the slow motion look, you're still not sure that this is a travel?

Could you explain?

It's just hard to tell if his left foot hits again before he throws up his off-balance shot. It's a close play. It might be a travel. It's so close, that I still think that the lead guessed in real time because it "looked funny."