Ohio St vs. Iowa St video request.

[zm1283]

5:10 first half. Non-shooting foul called. Looked to be a shooting foul against ISU. Clark Kellogg is a moron by the way....claims there is no continuation under NCAA rules.

[OKREF]

No, he said he hadn't started his normal shooting motion prior to the foul. Seems this officials interpretation is a gather doesn't constitute the beginning of a shot.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by OKREF

No, he said he hadn't started his normal shooting motion prior to the foul. Seems this officials interpretation is a gather doesn't constitute the beginning of a shot.

He did start his shooting motion. By rule the official was wrong IMO.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by zm1283

He did start his shooting motion

Not according to the guy who counts.

This thread will get about 100 posts before it is over.

[zm1283]

My point is that Kellogg is wrong because the NCAA rule is the same as the NBA rule. This would have been a shooting foul in the NBA and should even be one under NFHS rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Clark Kellogg is a moron by the way....claims there is no continuation under NCAA rules.

He was right. There is no continuation under NCAA rules. Some people try to introduce continuation by using the term "gather" But, by rule, all we have is continuous motion. which is a little less generous..if you follow the rules.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

He was right. There is no continuation under NCAA rules. Some people try to introduce continuation by using the term "gather" But, by rule, all we have is continuous motion. which is a little less generous..if you follow the rules.

I still think Kellogg was trying to say that the two rule sets are a complete 180 from each other.

[JetMetFan]

NBA Rule 4, Section X

The act of shooting starts when, in the official’s judgment, the player has started his shooting motion and continues until the shooting motion ceases and he returns to a normal floor position.

NBA Comments on the Rules, 4C

A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass.

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NCAA 4-73-3, 4 & 7

Art. 3. The try shall start when the player begins the motion that habitually precedes the release of the ball on a try...
Art. 4. A try shall end when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.
Art. 7. An airborne shooter, who is fouled by an opponent, while in the air but after the ball is released shall be considered to be in the act of shooting until that airborne player returns to the floor.

NCAA 4-14

Continuous motion applies to a try for field goal or free throw, but shall have no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval that begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap
and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

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NFHS 4-41-1, 3 & 4

ART. 1 The act of shooting begins simultaneously with the start of the try or tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight, and includes the airborne shooter
ART. 3 The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball.
ART. 4 The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.

NFHS 4-11-2
If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movement, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight.

[Camron Rust]

Looking the the NBA rule posted by JetMet, it looks like they're closer than I had thought, at least as printed. Looks like even the NBA rule requires upward motion. Of course, what they really call is a bit more generous allowing from a "gather" (aka continuation).

[canuckrefguy]

Charge at 1:34 or so 2nd half.

[JRutledge]

For the record this is a RA foul or close to the RA foul. The issue is whether the OSU player Craft was heal was on or over the RA.

Peace

[rawhi1]

I might have missed it but where was the foul commited against Aaron Craft at 2:35 o f fourth quarter. It became a 3 point play !!

[zm1283]

His heel was definitely over the RA but was not touching the line. Not sure is that matters or not.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

His heel was definitely over the RA but was not touching the line. Not sure is that matters or not.

Heels above the RA = Standing in the RA

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Heels above the RA = Standing in the RA

Hmm, that doesn't sound right. Got a rules reference? In FIBA, the defender has to have both feet completely inside the semi-circle. If they are touching the SC in any way, they are considered "out".