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Old Sun Mar 24, 2013, 09:47pm
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Believe me, it's more than a little aggravating.
Out of curiosity, what's the rationale?
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:37am
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We use Arbiter in North Carolina. Mandatory for every HS sports assigner now, and the state association is linked to the games in order to make sure no uncertified officials are calling HS games, as well as oversee suspensions and such.

And now that a few of my recreation assigners (I use 3) are using Arbiter, I don't use anyone that doesn't have it.
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:46am
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Arbiter / State Associations

Terrapin Nation (state of Maryland) had linked up with the arbiter. Now every association must use the arbiter.

Having used the arbiter to assign for the last 8 years, I must say that it is pretty efficient.

However if you are are working multiple levels, I would usse different e-mail accounts.....
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:55am
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However if you are are working multiple levels, I would usse different e-mail accounts.....
To what end?
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:00pm
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Adam -

Just curious,,,,have you ever seen arbiter from the assigner side ????
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Just curious,,,,have you ever seen arbiter from the assigner side ????
No, I haven't. Are you saying you'd use different email accounts as an assigner, or as an official, for different levels?
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 02:51pm
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What the assigner sees......

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No, I haven't. Are you saying you'd use different email accounts as an assigner, or as an official, for different levels?
If you are working for example hs / juco / D2 / D2 all on the same website here is what happens.......

Let say you have taken a juco game for Supervisor Billy Mac ( I know would never happen ). Even if you don't close out the game with your other supervisors here is what happens if I (they) were to go into the arbiter to give you a college game.

An assigner using arbiter can choose from the following when assigning games

Available officials or Potential Officiials

AO are officials that have NO restrictions in getting to that game...This is the guy that can go anywhere any time. Also in an unrelated subject names will appear based on the number of assignments you currently have. So if East is playing west and Juggling Ref has 50 assignments and Bad New Ref has 3,
BNR name will come up first and then everybody between BNR and JR.

Most assigners use the Available Officials option beacuase there is no reason that these guys should turn game back...YOU will not appear on the
AO list EVEN if you dont block out the date because you have accepted a hs game.

If you don't block the date, you will only appear on the Potential Officials list....this tells me that you have some sort of issue that will make things a bit difficult ( you have a hs game you need to get out of)

Why as an assigner would i want to choose from porential if i know you have some sort of "issue"

NOW........if you used [email protected] for your hs assigner and taken that game and used [email protected] for your D2 league, I would see you as open with no restrictions every time I wanted to give you an assignment.

Most guys I know that work small college basketball have a seperate hs arb account /
a juco arb account / D2 arb account / and if working D1 a seperate account....all with different e-mail addresses.....

This way the guy higher up always sees you as open with no restrictions....

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Because I dont want my college assignors to see what HS games I work. Also, because one of the college assignors here also does 2 HS leagues and he will not give you a college game if he sees you already have a HS game on that day, even when it isnt one of his HS leagues. As long as he isnt offering me the game on gameday, I am getting off my HS game every time to take any level college game.
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I'm surprised Brad hasn't chimed in yet...

Football here uses Zebra Ware which I'm not too fond of. My basketball chapter uses Arbiter.

I used to work sub varsity for one assigner out here that uses Ref Town and that was my favorite by far. You put out a good product, Camron.
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I used to work sub varsity for one assigner out here that uses Ref Town and that was my favorite by far. You put out a good product, Camron.
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I'm surprised Brad hasn't chimed in yet...
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Football here uses Zebra Ware which I'm not too fond of. My basketball chapter uses Arbiter.
What did you not like about Zebra-Ware? (I know why *I* didn't like it ... curious as to your thoughts)
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Old Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:13pm
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Because I dont want my college assignors to see what HS games I work. Also, because one of the college assignors here also does 2 HS leagues and he will not give you a college game if he sees you already have a HS game on that day, even when it isnt one of his HS leagues. As long as he isnt offering me the game on gameday, I am getting off my HS game every time to take any level college game.
This is where I allow the official to designate which groups get to see which other groups. If they want, they can isolate each account and maintain their availability manually between the different assignors.

Along with that, the official can prioritize each organization so that assignor A will blocked by an assignment from assignor B but not the other way...or they can make them equal so that the first to assign gets you.
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Old Wed Apr 03, 2013, 12:30pm
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We use Arbiter in North Carolina. Mandatory for every HS sports assigner now
The state association MANDATES that all chapters use Arbiter???

Who pays for it? The individual chapters? Or the state?

Curious as to how many other states do this ... seems fairly anti-competitive.
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Old Wed Apr 03, 2013, 10:41pm
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The state association MANDATES that all chapters use Arbiter???

Who pays for it? The individual chapters? Or the state?
The booking agents pay for it out of the booking fee. Some actually share the same account.

My primary booking agent (I say primary because he books MS and Rec football, MS and JV basketball, all softball minus college and MS and Rec baseball. I call those sports also so I work with him all year) has an arbiter account that he shares with three other booking agents. He told me his Arbiter fee is around $1000/year, but moving from Arbiter to Booking Agent (he did about five years ago) made his life so much easier so it was ultimately worth the price.

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