State Playoffs - Call or No Call

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

No way. The dribbler is being legally sealed off -- she has no intention of coming back to the center of the floor.

+1000 on No way...... Good defense

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

+1000 on No way...... Good defense

I can buy passing on it but is is far from good or legal defense.

[mutantducky]

eh, I don't like the charging call in that situation. It's a player breaking the press and someone getting in the way at the last moment. Charging calls are really unusual on press breaks and of course there are times to call them but I don't see it here. Good no call even though I'm in the minority here. And no a ref doesn't have to blow the whistle even though there is a 'crash'. Good no-call and play on.
As for the shooting foul, hard to say. Looks like it shouldn't have been called but maybe the ref had a better angle, seemed like a slight bump. I wouldn't have called it but I can't criticize the ref who did although as Nevada notes positioning is an issue.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

eh, I don't like the charging call in that situation. It's a player breaking the press and someone getting in the way at the last moment. Charging calls are really unusual on press breaks and of course there are times to call them but I don't see it here. Good no call even though I'm in the minority here. And no a ref doesn't have to blow the whistle even though there is a 'crash'. Good no-call and play on.
As for the shooting foul, hard to say. Looks like it shouldn't have been called but maybe the ref had a better angle, seemed like a slight bump. I wouldn't have called it but I can't criticize the ref who did although as Nevada notes positioning is an issue.

This philosophy makes no sense at all.

You know why charges are unusual during presses (or any full court situation really)? Because the dribbler has the whole court to avoid a defender so it's hard for the defender to get in the path of the dribbler. So I'm not sue what this being a press has to do with whether it's a charge or not. If you think the contact is marginal, then just say so.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

eh, I don't like the charging call in that situation. It's a player breaking the press and someone getting in the way at the last moment. Charging calls are really unusual on press breaks and of course there are times to call them but I don't see it here. Good no call even though I'm in the minority here. And no a ref doesn't have to blow the whistle even though there is a 'crash'. Good no-call and play on.
As for the shooting foul, hard to say. Looks like it shouldn't have been called but maybe the ref had a better angle, seemed like a slight bump. I wouldn't have called it but I can't criticize the ref who did although as Nevada notes positioning is an issue.

What's the point of the defense even trying then? Especially on games you are officiating? You have negated any reason for a full court press. The defense can only force a TO on a 10 second violation or steal.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

eh, I don't like the charging call in that situation. It's a player breaking the press and someone getting in the way at the last moment. Charging calls are really unusual on press breaks and of course there are times to call them but I don't see it here. Good no call even though I'm in the minority here. And no a ref doesn't have to blow the whistle even though there is a 'crash'. Good no-call and play on.
As for the shooting foul, hard to say. Looks like it shouldn't have been called but maybe the ref had a better angle, seemed like a slight bump. I wouldn't have called it but I can't criticize the ref who did although as Nevada notes positioning is an issue.

Totally and completely disagree with this. I really have a hard time thinking you actually believe this. This is not a good no call, and it is compounded by an extreme reach when the foul on the shooter is called. This isn't a no call situation as the offense runs right over the defense. You can't pass on this just because it isn't on a drive to the basket and happens in a pressing situation. That's a ludicrous statement.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

...... someone getting in the way at the last moment.

Isn't that kinda the definition of a charge?

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Isn't that kinda the definition of a charge?

I can get in your way at the last moment and it be a blocking foul.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

I can get in your way at the last moment and it be a blocking foul.

Or not. Thus the word "kinda"