Jay Bilas comments on First Take

[JRutledge]

Bilas said that the NCAA game is more physical than the NBA.

Now I ask do you agree and if not why?

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bilas said that the NCAA game is more physical than the NBA.

Now I ask do you agree and if not why?

Peace

Disagree. I disagree with most things out of his mouth.

Honestly, the NBA players are bigger, stronger and more athletic. He is confusing physical with sloppy. I think the college game, being that its with less talented players, appears more physical but in reality the NBA players punish each other much, much more. They can just deal with it better.

[JRutledge]

He also claimed that this was a "well known" thing by NBA scouts or NBA people that the NCAA game is more physical.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

My general opinion is that Bilas is a blowhard, but I might be inclined to agree in certain conferences. What is currently the "Big East" has a reputation for tolerance of extremely physical play, more so than other conferences.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Bilas said that the NCAA game is more physical than the NBA.

Now I ask do you agree and if not why?

Peace

Jay has also expressed many opinions on the state of college basketball officiating..

One I remember was that the amount of fouls called is down from the past and this has impacted the decrease in scoring.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Jay has also expressed many opinions on the state of college basketball officiating..

One I remember was that the amount of fouls called is down from the past and this has impacted the decrease in scoring.

I was just focusing on the fact that he said this as if there was no disputing this "fact."

I do agree that the NBA does a better job calling fouls on the perimeter. But that is about it. A lot of contact goes on in the NBA near the basket. How many times you see a play near the basket and the shooter looks at the official about a call that was not made?

Peace

[maven]

Bilas has plenty of pro experience... in Europe.

[Jay R]

I watch alot of both NBA and NCAA games. I don't know that Bilas' statement is completely true, but I can see what he means. Twenty years ago, the NBA game was extremely physical. Think back to the late 80s and early 90s when the NBA games were much more physical (Bad Boys Pistons, Knicks etc...) At that time, the NCAA was less physical. The NBA has done a good job of cleaning up alot of the hand checking and the hard type fouls. The NCAA game has become more physical during the same span. I can see how Bilas would make the comment.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I can see how Bilas would make the comment.

Agreeing because you both have the same first names?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Jay has also expressed many opinions on the state of college basketball officiating..

One I remember was that the amount of fouls called is down from the past and this has impacted the decrease in scoring.

I guess if the players worked on their FTs, they could overcome this problem.

[Refk]

I don't believe that college is more physical than the NBA (except on perimeter) but I do believe that it has become too physical. Looking at all of men's college ball - not just Div 1 -- it is brutal in the post. Watched a smaller college play about a month ago and they had recruited one of their football players about 6'7 300 lbs ---------- just to be physical inside. To me (and boy I'm dating myself) that isn't what basketball should be about. Yes, I understand players are bigger, stronger, faster but it seems that it is just about being physical inside.

I don't believe it is the only reason for the decrease in collegiate scoring but it sure has contributed.

On a personal note, my son who is about 5' 10- 5" 11 and 178 is working out like crazy to gain an additional 10 lbs by fall to prepare him for college ball. He told me " I have to do this to keep up ".

I don't know the answer but I know when I officiate Varsity boys ball it seems as though the physical play seen in college has migrated to HS .

Love the game , just hate to see it keep going in this direction.

[Pantherdreams]

Charlie Rose - Jay Bilas

Link to interview where he talks about his book (cough-blowhard-cough) but at the end of interview he addresses the state of the college game. Blames it on the way the game is officiated but says its not the officials as much as a lack of governing body/commishoner to administer all games/conferences and officials specific to basketball.

Key concerns seemed to be:

That the game has contact that violates offensive movment/balance/rhythm etc every game that goes uncalled.

That players are purposefully committing fouls that impede or hinder and are being taught to and how too combat as they are not being called.

For a number of factors including rough play offensive scoring and efficiency is back to levels below pre-shot clock.

NBA game has one person to whom conferences, teams, and officials are accountable so when that person is making decisions on the on court product everyone has to get on the same page in terms of calls and gameplay. If the game is not called or played the way they were directed they can be held accountable doesn't feel like that exists across NCAA.

PS. Am I the only one that finds it ironic that a former Duke perimeter player is complaining about the lack or offensive freedom and looking for foul calls??

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Charlie Rose - Jay Bilas

Link to interview where he talks about his book (cough-blowhard-cough) but at the end of interview he addresses the state of the college game. Blames it on the way the game is officiated but says its not the officials as much as a lack of governing body/commishoner to administer all games/conferences and officials specific to basketball.

Key concerns seemed to be:

That the game has contact that violates offensive movment/balance/rhythm etc every game that goes uncalled.

That players are purposefully committing fouls that impede or hinder and are being taught to and how too combat as they are not being called.

For a number of factors including rough play offensive scoring and efficiency is back to levels below pre-shot clock.

NBA game has one person to whom conferences, teams, and officials are accountable so when that person is making decisions on the on court product everyone has to get on the same page in terms of calls and gameplay. If the game is not called or played the way they were directed they can be held accountable doesn't feel like that exists across NCAA.

PS. Am I the only one that finds it ironic that a former Duke perimeter player is complaining about the lack or offensive freedom and looking for foul calls?? ;)

I didn't go to the link but again I'm a fan of Bilas' and find characterization of him as a blowhard to be very inaccurate. You don't have to agree with everything he says but if you listen to him the guy is insightful and willing to take thoughtful positions that don't always follow what all the other talking heads like to repeat.

IMO the points he raises above are valid and worthy of further discussion.

And Bilas was a post player not a perimeter player. I think he's just giving his honest opinion here without the hidden agenda that some seem to suggest.

PS- I loathe Duke University and just about everything associated with it. (Unless of course I get picked up by the ACC one day. In which case, I view every institution of higher learning equally and favorably.)

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

PS- I loathe Duke University and just about everything associated with it. (Unless of course I get picked up by the ACC one day. In which case, I view every institution of higher learning equally and favorably.)

Coach K's legendary crack investigators will no doubt find this quote no matter how many times you edit or delete and if you do get picked up by the ACC you won't have to worry about ever working a game for the Blue Devils

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Coach K's legendary crack investigators will no doubt find this quote no matter how many times you edit or delete and if you do get picked up by the ACC you won't have to worry about ever working a game for the Blue Devils

Lol- Would not doubt if this was true.

But I should probably work on advancing past juco games before worrying about it.