Side by side...
 

I'm sure there have been strings on this in the past but...

Let's find the person who started the myth that opponents away from the restraining circle during a jump ball have to stand side-by-side and throw stuff at them. I think I've seen officials make kids move in every online h.s. game I've watched in the past month as well as most I've seen in person. :mad:

Wow I can't say I've ever run into that one.

I actually see it a lot in my neck of the woods. The R will look at A2 next to B2 10-20 feet away from the circle before the toss and tell them they have to be side-by-side. Drives me nuts.

Never seen nor heard of that one.

Not around here.

Had a ref tell a player (non-jumper) he could not straddle the midcourt stripe during the toss. Had to be one side or the other:confused:

Straying here, how about on tech or intentional foul, players need to be behind division line

Must be a regional thing. I've never seen or heard anything like that before.

This one drives me crazy. I have had discussions with our most senior officials about this error.

The corollary to this: "Hold your spots" as the R enters the circle. I used to "help" my partners at half time by explaining the actual rule. No more.

That annoys me too. Not enough to say anything to anyone, though.

I think a lot of this is what the players think they are supposed to do, not necessarily what they are told to do by the officials. I had an intentional foul last night and we sent players off the line, they all went to the division line on their own. The only time I might say anything to them at all is when they want to talk to the coach on the end where we are shooting the FTs as I would not like the to be in violation of where they stand and cause an unnecessary FT violation.

Peace

Except that there is an element of truth to that one. It may not be precisely accurate but there are movements that are illegal.

I remember our rules interpreter teaching jump ball administration. He taught us the rules (e.g. that "non-jumpers shall not move onto the center restraining circle" or "change position around the center restraining circle") but he also indicated that he had no problem with using "hold your spots" prior to the jump ball.

He considered it acceptable "preventative" officiating to avoid having to call a jump ball violation to start the game and to get the game underway without incident. If someone backs directly off of the restraining circle (legal), you just don't call a violation. Much like an official may verbally warn someone to "stay out of the lane" to avoid making a marginal call. Of course you don't have to "stay out of the lane" -- it's not technically correct. But it can be helpful at times.

I never say "stay out of the lane," and I'm surprised anyone does. I will say "get out," though.

Sometimes, the officials tell them this. And, sometimes, it's said by officials who should know better.

Yep

May be paraphrasing ... but the idea was to get people to move out of the lane before a 3 second call must be made on a play where no real advantage is being gained ...

I don't say that, even. "Keep moving" is the farthest I'll go.

I called four 3-second violations all season. My regular partner called none. He leaves the ones that need to be gotten to me.

Same here with the "keep moving." "Stay out" might be taken literally by some kids and no, I'm not kidding.

Had an example of a kid in a GV game yesterday taking things too literally. I told her coach to remind the girl to leave the ball alone after her team scores. She tells the girl, "don't touch the ball after a basket."...then the next time the opponent scores, the girl runs away from the ball like it's on fire.

Wow. I have either seen officials tell players to do this or have seen players do this on their own every time. So I assumed it was in the rules.

I'll know better next time I broadcast a game. This is why I love this board. Thanks.

Restrictions (NFHS, NCAA) are the same as they are for anyone who isn't on the lane at any other time: outside the three-point arc and above the FTLE.

I had a lenghty discussion with Senior/State caliber official who always says "Hold your spots". I guess he wins. He is doing State games. not me.

This is right up there with "speaking captains" for me. Each of these traditions really need to stop. :mad:

Same in the NBA...and you'll actually see that the players know this as well.

Since their position behind the division line during tech/int foul FT's is legal, what would you say? "You don't have to go that far..." ;)

Enough Is Enough ...
 

Toss a coin, or give the damn ball to the visitors.

Back when we were tossing jump balls several times a game, in three different circles, all of us knew the jump ball rules as well as any other part of the rulebook: before the toss, during the toss, after the tap, on the circle, off the circle, jumpers, non-jumpers, etc. Coaches had set jump ball plays, defensive jumps, offensive jumps, jumps near their basket, jumps near their opponent's basket, etc., and the coaches taught the jump ball rules to their players. Officials used to practice their tossing techniques.

Now, once a game, the tallest players on each team square off against each other, the referee tries to make a decent toss, and the umpire just hopes that nothing "weird" happens because many of us, including me, don't know the jump balls rules as well as we knew them years ago. That's why we have the various myths, like "Hold your spots". I haven't seen a tough jump ball question on an IAABO Refresher Exam in years, that's gotta tell you something.

I think he meant say anything to his partners.

I was told, years ago, to not let the players, around the circle, stand with a foot behind an opponent.
Also, several of the High Schools in our area have a decorative circle surrounding the Center Circle, that is about 18 inches wide. It's common for the non-jumpers to stay behind that circle, rather than approaching the actual 6' radius circle. I usually tell them they can stand at the actual circle.

That's correct. It's only a requirement, though, if they are within 3' of the circle. I think the OP was talking about players farther away than that.

I wouldn't tell them this. I would answer if asked.

Saw this happen in an NBA game this year...7 non jumpers line up behind an outside circle and Steve Nash lined up behind the required circle...and ended up beating his opponent to the ball after the tap.

I do this, but I am talking to those on the circle, primarily. Of course, the next time I see U1 or U2 whistle for a violation on this play will be the first.

Take an hour or two and just read the rulebook, you might learn lots of things.

#CREDIBILITY