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Arrow doesn't come into play in this situation.
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I don't know if my post is going to help settle anything here.
First, I reviewed the thread the Adam had referenced earlier in this thread and was surprised that I had not commented in it even after BillyMac had requested for responses from veteran officials who remembered the Lack of Sufficient Action rule. Second, in the older thread (Nov. 2011) I believe it was M&M Guy gave a number of rules references that correctly stated that our situation is not a delay of game situation. Third, the best way to describe our situation is that once the ball becomes Live, one team is deliberately committing a violation in order to force their opponent to play offense in a certain way and the team committing the violation is doing it every time the ball is made Live again after the penalty for the violation is enforced. Is this a TF for unsportsmanlike conduct? I don't know. Teams commit fouls to stop the clock and make their opponents shoot FTs in an effort to get the ball back. Is this an unsportsmanlike conduct TF? Of course if this were a soccer game we could issue a Yellow Card (Yellow Card for those that can't make out the yellow lettering_ for persistent infringement and award an IDFK to the free throw shooting team, . MTD, Sr.
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Strategic fouling is an accepted part of the game. I've never read anything that would suggest that repeatedly committing FT violations is an accepted part of the game.
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Just joined the forum, though I've been reading for a couple months...
Wouldn't this resolve itself on its own eventually without the need for a T? It's not easy to intentionally "miss" the shot over and over again without eventually missing the rim (and violating). At this point, you have a double violation and go to the alternating possession right? |
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Intentionally committing a violation over and over again is turning the game into an action-less affair. Missing a free throw causes the game to continue. Which one do you think should be penalized?
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I understand that, but I also would want to avoid the appearance of "doing good" for one team over another.
Sort of playing devil's advocate here, but if the defense has the AP, and the offense saw the strategy they were deploying of intentionally violating, they could change their strategy of intentionally trying to miss. The contest is becoming actionless because both teams are refusing to do what we typically think of as normal (make a shot and not violate). Sure one is violating At some point, the shooter will violate while attempting to miss, and then lose possession if they don't have the AP. If I was the coach, rather than hoping the Refs come up with a reason to issue a T to the other team, I would go to plan B ... Make the shot and try for a steal/foul. |
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If you're at a level that's high enough where this "strategy" would be employed, I highly though the shooter will violate in his attempt to miss. Not in any timely fashion before Team B is going to be whacked.
There's only one team making this an action-less contest...Team A has fulfilled all its requirements for/during the free throw while B hasn't by repeatedly committing violations.
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The intent and purpose of the rules:
A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. I think we would all agree that this was not the purpose of the lane violation rule.
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Yep, to me, it's in the same category as a defender stepping out of bounds to stop a fast break, or the scoring team committing a dog violation with the clock running at less than five seconds.
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