Actionless Contest

[Bad Zebra]

For the relatively few times this occurs, I wouldn't alter the rule book. Yes it stinks as a fan. Yes, it's frustrating as an official. But it's hardly become common enough to warrant a rule change.

Everybody comes across these games occasionally. I've seen it where there's a big disparity between size or speed for a team. The lesser team will try it to either slow the game down to their level or frustrate the other team into commiting dumb fouls. That being said, I've NEVER seen it work successfully for an entire game. I'd love to hear if anyone else has ever seen it used successfully.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I've seen it where there's a big disparity between size or speed for a team.

Since a team can't recruit (at least most teams; and at least not to the level of college), and since the game isn't (all) about "entertainment", a team should be able to emply this strategy to give them the best chance of winning.

Add that to the cost, and the errors we find with the shot-clock operators, and put me down as a strong NO vote on the shot clock for HS ball.

Now, when it does happen, I think that one of the referees should get with the coaches to see how long theyplan to use this strategy and just shorten the period.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

I work in a shot clock state and the operators I have seen do a really good job.Rarely does an official have to stop the clock and correct a shot clock issue.Usually if they do it is a difference between the operator and official about team control in a loose ball situation.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

I work in a shot clock state and the operators I have seen do a really good job.Rarely does an official have to stop the clock and correct a shot clock issue.Usually if they do it is a difference between the operator and official about team control in a loose ball situation.

+1 for when I did for 5 years.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Since a team can't recruit (at least most teams; and at least not to the level of college), and since the game isn't (all) about "entertainment", a team should be able to emply this strategy to give them the best chance of winning.

Add that to the cost, and the errors we find with the shot-clock operators, and put me down as a strong NO vote on the shot clock for HS ball.

Now, when it does happen, I think that one of the referees should get with the coaches to see how long theyplan to use this strategy and just shorten the period.

This.

It's the classic case of a solution in search of a problem.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think that one of the referees should get with the coaches to see how long they plan to use this strategy and just shorten the period.

Do any of you veterans assume that "stall ball" is unskilled, and is very easy for coaches to teach, and equally as easy for the kids to play? I know that it doesn't seem very exciting to fans, but as a former player, a retired middle school coach, and a veteran official, I can tell you, it ain't easy. High school kids, and they're just kids, want to run up, and down, the court and shoot the ball as many times as possible. For them to be coached to do it any other way, and to be even moderately successful at it, is a great achievement, and I appreciate the effort involved when I come across one of these games every couple of years.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

and just shorten the period.

Hopefully the second game of a double-header.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

....put me down as a strong NO vote on the shot clock for HS ball.

Hear! Hear!

[Scooby]

I've had a game like this once in over ten yeas of varsity ball. I Loved It! A nice break. Now if it was 2-3 times a season, that would be a whole different story.

By the way my partner missed a travel in the game. With A1 holding the ball he lifts his right foot and wiped the dust off it and then about a minute latter he did the same with his left foot.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Scooby

By the way my partner missed a travel in the game. With A1 holding the ball he lifts his right foot and wiped the dust off it and then about a minute latter he did the same with his left foot.

I had a game where team A is holding for last shot and player did a wipe of both feet. I called the Travel violation. I was so proud of myself and I smiled after making the call.
Also had a team stall upon inbounding the ball to begin the 3rd quarter. I am glad I was the lead official. I did not know if the player holding the ball had pivoted or dribbled. Luckly, she passed the ball when they decided to run a play.
hear is a thought.... if we know Team A is going to stall until 1 minute to play in the quarter and Team B does not want to apply pressure, then can we call an official TO, shorten the quarter to 1 minute and pick up where we left off with Team A inbounding the ball?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

if we know Team A is going to stall until 1 minute to play in the quarter and Team B does not want to apply pressure, then can we call an official TO, shorten the quarter to 1 minute and pick up where we left off with Team A inbounding the ball?

The coaches have to decide, with the approval of the referee. See post #8

[Tim C]

One of the neat things about being old is that I was actually alive to witness (through the media) some of the oddities of "stallball."

I remember when USC stalled against UCLA (with Lew Alcindor) and a great photo in the sports pages the day after was Alcindor standing in the key, on defense, and reading the game program.

I attended a high school game in the 80's where a smaller Oregon School had two 7'0 brothers.

The visiting team stalled the first half and it was 4-0.

I went home.

And finally, when I was a high school coach we used the UNC "Four Corners" offense. My point guard was NOT Phil Ford but she could whip any other girl one-on-one.



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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

For the relatively few times this occurs, I wouldn't alter the rule book. Yes it stinks as a fan. Yes, it's frustrating as an official. But it's hardly become common enough to warrant a rule change.

Everybody comes across these games occasionally. I've seen it where there's a big disparity between size or speed for a team. The lesser team will try it to either slow the game down to their level or frustrate the other team into commiting dumb fouls. That being said, I've NEVER seen it work successfully for an entire game. I'd love to hear if anyone else has ever seen it used successfully.

Milan vs Muncie Central, 1954 Indiana State Championship Game is a famous example.

[Rich]

Tennessee 11, Temple 6 in 1973. My HS supervisor (since deceased) worked that game.

It's credited with playing a role towards implementing a shot clock in the NCAA, even though it took another decade to do it.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Milan vs Muncie Central, 1954 Indiana State Championship Game is a famous example.

I'm skeptical, video clip?