DVBOA...Phantom travels

[JetMetFan]

The interesting thing about these plays is, unless my eyes are going, they really aren't phantoms. They're close and I'll admit a lot of us wouldn't necessarily catch them but they're all travels.

[Raymond]

1st one was a travel. 2nd one I can't tell where he gathered. 3rd was not a travel.

[JetMetFan]

On #2 the call was on the spin. In the slow-mo I can see A1's pivot come off the floor as he turns.

On #3 A1 catches the ball then his right foot hits the floor, followed by the left then the right again. Again, you really need the slo-mo to tell.

[bob jenkins]

1) Travel RF was pivot, then he stepped forward with it. Official seemed to call travel for lifting and replacing left foot -- I'm not sure left foot left the ground.

2) Probably not a travel. I think left foot was pivot and didn't come off ground on the spin move.

3) Depends on whether official thinks it was a jump stop. Right foot land just before left, and then there's a step with the right. BY a strict interpretation of the book, it's a travel. If you make some small allowance, it's a jump stop and a legal pivot.

[twocentsworth]

NONE of these plays were travels. Classic cases of officials not finding the pivot on the catch/gather.

[JRutledge]

I am not convinced that any of these are travels. Certainly not obvious by any means.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not convinced that any of these are travels. Certainly not obvious by any means.

Peace

Oh, believe me, I know they're not obvious in any way. Heck, on at least one of them I had to watch it full screen twice to see it (I think it was #3). I just wish the "phantom-ness" was a little more apparent.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Certainly not obvious by any means.

Agree. If we're not sure, don't call it.

Different situation. Yesterday. Boys prep school. Second half. I'm the trail in a free throw situation. Black is shooting in front of their bench. I look at the table for substitutes. My next look is at the shooter to make sure that he's in his proper place, and then across the lane to make sure that everyone there is in their proper place. My partner, the lead, then bounces the ball to the shooter. In my peripheral vision, I spot a White player "sneaking" back, away from the three point arc. I was pretty sure that he was originally inside the arc, maybe on the far side of the lane, with me getting straight lined by the shooter, but I passed on it because I wasn't sure. Black misses and the Black coach goes nuts. "That's a violation. You have to call it". I yell back to him, "I didn't see it, so I can't call it", thinking, in my mind, that I blew the call. Coach continues to go nuts and I have to T him up, so now I'm doubly pissed at myself that not only did I blow the call, but it led to a technical foul.

After the game, I discus the call with my partner, ready to fall on my sword. My partner tells me that he spotted the White player heading into the lane from behind the three point arc and gave him the stop sign to prevent a violation, and I just saw the aftermath of that, White moving back away from the arc. I didn't blow the call, because I wasn't sure that there was a violation. I thought that there was a violation, but I was never sure.

[Scooby]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) If you make some small allowance, it's a jump stop and a legal pivot.

You may never legally pivot out of a 'jump stop'.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Scooby

You may never legally pivot out of a 'jump stop'.

It depends on your what your definition of a jump stop. There are two types of plays referred to as a jump stop.

If you gather (sorry, end the dribble for some of y'all) with a foot on the floor, jump off that foot, and land simultaneously on both feet, then no, you can't pivot. Same would apply if he gathered the ball with both feet in the air, landed on one foot, jumped off that foot and landed on both feet simultaneously.

The other type of jump stop is the one where a player gathers their dribble with both feet in the air and lands simultaneously...he may pivot with either foot in this case.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by APG

It depends on your what your definition of a jump stop. There are two types of plays referred to as a jump stop.

If you gather (sorry, end the dribble for some of y'all) with a foot on the floor, jump off that foot, and land simultaneously on both feet, then no, you can't pivot. Same would apply if he gathered the ball with both feet in the air, landed on one foot, jumped off that foot and landed on both feet simultaneously.

The other type of jump stop is the one where a player gathers their dribble with both feet in the air and lands simultaneously...he may pivot with either foot in this case.

and, the play in question was the latter.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Scooby

You may never legally pivot out of a 'jump stop'.

Sure you can. Dribbling, end your dribble with both feet off the floor, land simultaneously land with both feet. Either can be the pivot.

[fullor30]

All three are travels, clearly #2. Would I catch these in a game? I dunno. #3 would be toughest.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

All three are travels, clearly #2. Would I catch these in a game? I dunno. #3 would be toughest.

Of course, some people would say that after you catch the ball to end a dribble you haven't really caught it.

[HawkeyeCubP]

I'm not calling plays 1 or 2 travels. And I think it's be just fine with my supervisors.