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letemplay Fri Feb 22, 2013 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 881156)
For a guy that wasn't using the word "conspiracy,' your post looks, smells, and acts as one. If you have questions about plays, talk about the plays...don't opine about your perceptions of one team/player always "getting questionable calls."

Ok sorry, I did not realize my post came across that strongly, but guess it's ruffled some feathers. Let me reprhase then please:

Did anyone see the block/charge play that happened around the 9 minute mark where the VT player is called for the PC? Or about 3 minutes later on other end where VT player is called for a block? If anyone could post video of these plays I would like to hear some opinions..thanks.

deecee Fri Feb 22, 2013 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by kk13 (Post 881063)
I think they missed a push which is why the Duke player was on the floor in the first place!

Isn't that the only way a Duke player gets on the floor? When pushed by the opponent? :(

JetMetFan Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:10pm

Here's the kick ball situation...
 
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just another ref Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:33pm

And the second Duke guy rolled from front to back with it after recovering the ball.

deecee Sat Feb 23, 2013 04:21pm

Oh my. Not to question the integrity of these guys but at the D1 level to not call that kick and then to let the player roll from belly to back with the ball and not have a call. If it's not integrity then its incompetence. Either way its something starting with an "in".

Camron Rust Sat Feb 23, 2013 04:28pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 881397)
Oh my. Not to question the integrity of these guys but at the D1 level to not call that kick and then to let the player roll from belly to back with the ball and not have a call. If it's not integrity then its incompetence. Either way its something starting with an "in".

I don't know that it is either of those...it is just some officials look for anyway they can to wiggle out of making a call at all even though it really isn't that complicated. Some find it easier to pass on a close call even though it would be the right call. Why? They like taking the easier road where they can slough it off rather than have to step up and make a decision.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 23, 2013 08:24pm

Entirely possible neither official could see (or thought to look to see) if the "kick" was inentional and not inadvertant.

Foul on the white player in the nearer side during the rebound?

JetMetFan Sat Feb 23, 2013 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 881423)
Entirely possible neither official could see (or thought to look to see) if the "kick" was inentional and not inadvertant.

The one to see it would've been the C (Ed Corbett, my old Cath. League assignor). I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but he was looking right at it. Bringing the ball in to yourself with your feet isn't exactly inadvertent.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 23, 2013 08:33pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 881424)
The one to see it would've been the C (Ed Corbett, my old Cath. League assignor). I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but he was looking right at it. Bringing the ball in to yourself with your feet isn't exactly inadvertent.

2 blue is right between the official and the ball. Then, the white player is swinging around and I would be lookiung to see if he's going to do anything illegal.

Shouldn't have been missed, I'm not trying to justify it. But, s*** happens.

Raymond Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 881423)
Entirely possible neither official could see (or thought to look to see) if the "kick" was inentional and not inadvertant.

Foul on the white player in the nearer side during the rebound?

Maybe if the C decided to engage himself in the play he would have seen the travel. Not sure about the kick b/c it looks like the ball just happened to end up betwwen his legs inadvertently.

HawkeyeCubP Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:49am

My other issue with this was that the old L new T didn't adjust (read MOVE AT ALL) on the rebound. I was watching this and was pretty amazed at both non-calls. Ouch.

And for all of the "maybe the C or whoever couldn't tell how the ball ended up between the legs" or whatever proponents, I'm going out on a limb that the play breakdown by the supervisor is saying that those are two bad INC's. I would hope.

I'd be fairly mortified if I was the C or new T (or even new L) on that series in my game.


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