Duke/VT Kick?
 

9:25 1st. Duke player on the floor and pulls the ball toward himself with his feet. I've called this Violation 4-5 times this year in V Games. Yet time and time again I see the D1 guys passing on this and it ultimately becomes a Jump Ball. Am I missing something?

Nope, you're not missing anything. They are.

I think they missed a push which is why the Duke player was on the floor in the first place!

I hope to post it whenever I get home but I just watched it and...wow. Why didn't he just dribble the ball with his feet, too?

He would if this were soccer! :p

Fodder for Coaches
 

I can envision that same play happening tonight and I call kick. Coach says "That's not a kick it happened last night in Duke game and it was a no call"
Sorry Coach I'm not a D1 official

Plenty more from that game tape
 

Coach K has his standard answer when asked why other teams and programs have so much envy or dislike of Duke, by saying "well, we've won so much", to which I say, "no you keep getting questionable calls". Besides the kick in the OP, I offer:

1) PCF on VT player at about 9:20 first half

2) About 3 min later in a very similar play on other end, block on VT

Now, obviously this had nothing to do with the games outcome (Duke would have been better off staying in Durham and having an intersquad scrimmage), and I may very well be wrong on these, but with only one replay via tv after each play, it sure looked bad. I have not looked back at it this morning, and cannot post a video, but perhaps if JMF is finding the possible foot violation, he can get these "kicks" too

I have watched games at the HS level where that was not called. Actually I see it not called often in games I am not associated with at all. Again, let us not act like HS officials are so competent and pure.

Peace

So are you saying that Duke over time has benefited from some active conspiracy to give them favorable calls? That's ridiculous and ludicrous on its face. I think it's just people don't like Duke and remember the calls that go for them - justified or not - and conveniently don't remember or even acknowledge the calls that go against them.

So 3 calls that went their way in a 32 point blow out are indicative that all of Duke's success over the years is the result of favorable officiating?

Not a Duke fan and I feel +1000

Peace

NO, not at all...I see Duke's success due to they are generally really good, with very good players and coaches. A little overrated nationally usually, but an outstanding program. I didnt use the word "conspiracy", and I am not thinking along those lines, never have. I just want to see the plays again. If they turn out like I'm saying, it's only fodder for those that will say: Well, that's Duke.

For a guy that wasn't using the word "conspiracy,' your post looks, smells, and acts as one. If you have questions about plays, talk about the plays...don't opine about your perceptions of one team/player always "getting questionable calls."

Letemplay,

Go get them. I think you are welcome to your opinion. When I see them play my beloved Yellow Jackets, they get every call. Phuch Duke!

Enough questioning the integrity of officials.

Ok sorry, I did not realize my post came across that strongly, but guess it's ruffled some feathers. Let me reprhase then please:

Did anyone see the block/charge play that happened around the 9 minute mark where the VT player is called for the PC? Or about 3 minutes later on other end where VT player is called for a block? If anyone could post video of these plays I would like to hear some opinions..thanks.

Isn't that the only way a Duke player gets on the floor? When pushed by the opponent? :(

Here's the kick ball situation...
 

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And the second Duke guy rolled from front to back with it after recovering the ball.

Oh my. Not to question the integrity of these guys but at the D1 level to not call that kick and then to let the player roll from belly to back with the ball and not have a call. If it's not integrity then its incompetence. Either way its something starting with an "in".

I don't know that it is either of those...it is just some officials look for anyway they can to wiggle out of making a call at all even though it really isn't that complicated. Some find it easier to pass on a close call even though it would be the right call. Why? They like taking the easier road where they can slough it off rather than have to step up and make a decision.

Entirely possible neither official could see (or thought to look to see) if the "kick" was inentional and not inadvertant.

Foul on the white player in the nearer side during the rebound?

The one to see it would've been the C (Ed Corbett, my old Cath. League assignor). I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt but he was looking right at it. Bringing the ball in to yourself with your feet isn't exactly inadvertent.

2 blue is right between the official and the ball. Then, the white player is swinging around and I would be lookiung to see if he's going to do anything illegal.

Shouldn't have been missed, I'm not trying to justify it. But, s*** happens.

Maybe if the C decided to engage himself in the play he would have seen the travel. Not sure about the kick b/c it looks like the ball just happened to end up betwwen his legs inadvertently.

My other issue with this was that the old L new T didn't adjust (read MOVE AT ALL) on the rebound. I was watching this and was pretty amazed at both non-calls. Ouch.

And for all of the "maybe the C or whoever couldn't tell how the ball ended up between the legs" or whatever proponents, I'm going out on a limb that the play breakdown by the supervisor is saying that those are two bad INC's. I would hope.

I'd be fairly mortified if I was the C or new T (or even new L) on that series in my game.