Illinois State/Wichita video request

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Thumper68

This is on ESPN.


ST. LOUIS -- The Missouri Valley Conference has disciplined the officiating crew from Sunday night's Wichita State-Illinois State game after it awarded technical foul shots to the wrong player in the closing seconds of the game.

The league office said in a statement Monday the crew of David Hall, Gerry Pollard and Paul Janssen wrongly awarded two foul shots to the Shockers' Cleanthony Early after calling a Flagrant 1 technical foul on Illinois State star Jackie Carmichael with 40 seconds left.

The officials reviewed video during a stoppage in play that showed Carmichael kicking Wichita State's Tekele Cotton above the shoulder on a defensive rebound.

The Shockers were trailing 67-60 when the incident occurred. Early made both technical free throws and his 3-pointer with 5.2 seconds left gave them a 68-67 victory.

The conference did not say how the officials were disciplined.

That article makes no sense for 2 reasons.

First, you can't have a "wrong" shooter for a technical foul.

Second, the foul was for live ball contact, so it was a personal foul, not a technical foul.

Hopefully someone will write an accurate article on the situation.

My thinking, they incorrectly assessed the live ball contact as a technical foul.

[Thumper68]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That article makes no sense for 2 reasons.

First, you can't have a "wrong" shooter for a technical foul.

Second, the foul was for live ball contact, so it was a personal foul, not a technical foul.

Hopefully someone will write an accurate article on the situation.

My thinking, they incorrectly assessed the live ball contact as a technical foul.

I agree! I would like to know the real details, but we probably won't get them.

[twocentsworth]

Per the ESPN.com article posted above, it's clear the officials correctly called a FF1 foul against Il. St., but allowed an incorrect Wichita St. shooter to attempt the two FT's. It wasn't a technical foul; it wasn't a personal foul; it was a Flagrant Foul 1 (which is the same as an Intentional Foul in NFHS).

The crew made the mistake of putting the wrong shooter at the FT line. A big-time mistake by a big-time crew!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

Per the ESPN.com article posted above, it's clear the officials correctly called a FF1 foul against Il. St., but allowed an incorrect Wichita St. shooter to attempt the two FT's. It wasn't a technical foul; it wasn't a personal foul; it was a Flagrant Foul 1 (which is the same as an Intentional Foul in NFHS).

The crew made the mistake of putting the wrong shooter at the FT line. A big-time mistake by a big-time crew!

You may wish to consult your NCAA rules book as flagrant fouls can be either personal or technical, but MUST be of one of those two types of fouls.
BTW instead of Flagrant 1 Technical NCAAM have Class A technicals for noncontact situations or contact dead ball technical for when there is. NCAAM does have a Flagrant 2 Tech.

[bob jenkins]

The article I read (not on espn) had it correct. The relevant part is that the officials allwoed the wrong shooter and have (or will be) disciplined, but that the specific discipline is private.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You may wish to consult your NCAA rules book as flagrant fouls can be either personal or technical, but MUST be of one of those two types of fouls.
BTW instead of Flagrant 1 Technical NCAAM have Class A technicals for noncontact situations or contact dead ball technical for when there is. NCAAM does have a Flagrant 2 Tech.

You might want to consult your NCAA rule book. The play in question occurred while the ball was LIVE and involved CONTACT therefore, the foul cannot be a flagrant technical foul, nor a class A technical foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by johnny d

You might want to consult your NCAA rule book. The play in question occurred while the ball was LIVE and involved CONTACT therefore, the foul cannot be a flagrant technical foul, nor a class A technical foul.

I'm advocating that the correct call is a Flagrant 1 PERSONAL foul or a Flagrant 2 PERSONAL foul.

Now please go read my post again. Nowhere did I claim that the action was a technical foul. I merely told the other poster that flagrant fouls must be either personal or technical since he had stated that it was not a personal foul.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm advocating that the correct call is a Flagrant 1 PERSONAL foul or a Flagrant 2 PERSONAL foul.

Now please go read my post again. Nowhere did I claim that the action was a technical foul. I merely told the other poster that flagrant fouls must be either personal or technical since he had stated that it was not a personal foul.

Fine, but mentioning two possibilities in your orginal post implies that they actually had a choice to make between personal or technical.