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Old Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:38pm
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Fouling 3-point shooters

I have been watching a lot of D1 games lately, and have noticed a lot of no-calls on contact with a 3-point shooters arms after their release. They look like fouls to me, but go uncalled. Is there a new emphasis on not giving fouls in these situations?
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I have been watching a lot of D1 games lately, and have noticed a lot of no-calls on contact with a 3-point shooters arms after their release. They look like fouls to me, but go uncalled. Is there a new emphasis on not giving fouls in these situations?
Not. It just isn't a foul. What possible advantage could the defender have gained (or what disadvantage is imposed upon the shooter) by a defender contacting the arms/hands of a shooter when the ball is in the air?

We're not talking about knocking a shooter over here, just arm to arm contact.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:01am
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Not. It just isn't a foul. What possible advantage could the defender have gained (or what disadvantage is imposed upon the shooter) by contacting the arms/hands of a shooter when the ball is in the air?
None, but I would think protecting the safety of a jump-shooter is important? Not all contact is a foul of course, but I thought most contact of an airborne shooter is a foul?
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None, but I would think protecting the safety of a jump-shooter is important? Not all contact is a foul of course, but I thought most contact of an airborne shooter is a foul?
What safety is bring encroached by contact to the arm?
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:13am
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What safety is bring encroached by contact to the arm?
I've seen shooters hit on their arm, pulled down, and hit the deck pretty hard. That would be more an intentional or flagrant foul I guess. Part of my thinking comes from being told (or assuming) that any contact during the process of the shot, including after the release, is a foul. I'm going to check the rulebook to see what it says. I understand the advantage/disadvantage philosophy of it though.

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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:56am
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I've seen shooters hit on their arm, pulled down, and hit the deck pretty hard. That would be more an intentional of flagrant foul I guess. Part of my thinking comes from being told (or assuming) that any contact during the process of the shot, including after the release, is a foul. I'm going to check the rulebook to see what it says. I understand the advantage/disadvantage philosophy of it thought.
You were told (or assumed) incorrectly. This is generally incidental contact. Also, a lot of those shooters are throwing themselves to the floor to get a call. We have to decide how they got there and rule accordingly.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:49pm
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I've seen shooters hit on their arm, pulled down, and hit the deck pretty hard.
No one here said that this isn't a foul.

You said, "contact with a 3-point shooters arms after their release." That's not a foul.

Pulling a player down to the floor is a foul.

Two different situations.

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I understand the advantage/disadvantage philosophy of it thought.
If you think "any contact during the process of the shot, including after the release, is a foul," then no, you do not understand advantage/disadvantage.
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Old Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:08am
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I have been watching a lot of D1 games lately, and have noticed a lot of no-calls on contact with a 3-point shooters arms after their release. They look like fouls to me, but go uncalled. Is there a new emphasis on not giving fouls in these situations?
Most of the time, the contact is on the hand after the foul through...most of the time this contact is just plain incidental and shouldn't be called in most situations.
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