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Scuba_ref Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:15am

Coach, It comes down to when the dribble ended. If the dribble ends before the player jumped off of the one foot (in your example) then they must land simultaneously on two feet and they may not pivot. If the dribble ended after the one foot left the ground (so mid jump) then the player may land on one or two feet with the first foot becoming the pivot foot.

Raymond Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Lou (Post 879385)
Sorry, when I say "jump stop" I'm referring to:
Dribbler picks up dribble jumps off 1 foot and lands simultaneously on both feet. So, does the distance he travels in the air play a part on wether it's a violation or not?

I still would like to know how distance travelled got into the equation. Did someone suggest it to you or does it just look funny if someone can jump that far?

jump stop Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31am

My favorite topic: travel on the jump stop. Video should answer questions

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Coach Lou Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:38am

The question has been asked by coaches.
Examples:
A player "jump stops" from behind the 3pt line and lands by the 2 feet in front of the ft line.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Lou (Post 879394)
The question has been asked by coaches.
Examples:
A player "jump stops" from behind the 3pt line and lands by the 2 feet in front of the ft line.

Most HS age atheltes should be able to jump > 6 feet from a standing start. Give them a moving start (as on a dribble) and landing where you suggest shouldn't be a problem at all. It's all in whether they "stick the landing" (in the coach's play).

maven Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Lou (Post 879394)
The question has been asked by coaches.
Examples:
A player "jump stops" from behind the 3pt line and lands by the 2 feet in front of the ft line.

So some coach think the rules define traveling in terms of how far a player can jump?

Wow.

rekent Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 879409)
So some coach think the rules define traveling in terms of how far a player can jump?

Wow.

Rule change for '13-'14, coaches have to take same test as officials?? :D

Edit: On second thought, not sure if that would increase our headaches or decrease them...

maven Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:16pm

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Originally Posted by rekent (Post 879410)
Rule change for '13-'14, coaches have to take same test as officials?? :D

Good idea. I wouldn't make this a condition of coaching, but if they fail the test they must wear a dunce cap to every contest.

Coach Lou Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:22pm

Coaches complain as it is. And Even worse when it looks funny. Especially if their own players can't stop it or do the same as the other players.

maven Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Lou (Post 879415)
Coaches complain as it is. And Even worse when it looks funny. Especially if their own players can't stop it or do the same as the other players.

"Coach, ugly is not illegal."

Useful because without being confrontational it acknowledges the accuracy of the coach's perception that something unusual and bad happened while asserting the correctness of the no-call by rule.

JRutledge Thu Feb 14, 2013 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by Coach Lou (Post 879415)
Coaches complain as it is. And Even worse when it looks funny. Especially if their own players can't stop it or do the same as the other players.

That is why I often ask (when I have time), "Which one was the pivot foot?" Usually stops a lot of conversations about traveling because coaches often use myths or non-rulebook standards to complain.

Traveling is all about the pivot foot and what they can do with one if they established one (or both in some cases).

Peace

rockchalk jhawk Thu Feb 14, 2013 04:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rekent (Post 879410)
Rule change for '13-'14, coaches have to take same test as officials?? :D

Edit: On second thought, not sure if that would increase our headaches or decrease them...

In Kansas, head coaches are in fact required to take the same NFHS test as officials and pass it.

That being said, they all get the answers from somewhere and pass them around to each other, so...

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 05:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven (Post 879479)
"Coach, ugly is not illegal."

Useful because without being confrontational it acknowledges the accuracy of the coach's perception that something unusual and bad happened while asserting the correctness of the no-call by rule.

Used a similar line last week, "that was just an awkward, ugly dribble."

Welpe Thu Feb 14, 2013 05:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879543)
Used a similar line last week, "that was just an awkward, ugly dribble."

I said this earlier this season to a coach on a high dribble that he wanted called a carry. His response was "I played basketball, I know what a carry is!"

This just happenes to be the coach that I ejected in the 4th quarter of that same game.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 14, 2013 07:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinP (Post 879371)
Dribbler picks up dribble jumps off 1 foot, must land simultaneously on both feet, has no pivot foot, but what can happen is they will land with one foot hitting before the other and then take a step to shoot or pass which is a travel. Distance on jump is inconsequential, IMO.

Fixed that part anyway. No charge.


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