"Reverse rant"

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sometimes, the new official also needs to just listen and offer not reply or offer an argument.

As a new official, I have needed to learn this. There are some times that I just need to shut up and take the criticism, even though I might be right.

For example: I was doing some 3-man games (CYO). An experienced official I had worked with before showed up early for the two games following mine. I asked him to watch me and give me pointers on how to improve. While he was watching me, I called a foul on number 7, and as such had to report the number with two hands. After the game, my observer told me not to report with two hands. I immediately replied "but, but, he had a number that required it!". He didn't understand what I was trying to tell him, and he thought I was just making an excuse. In hindsight I should have just shut up.

[grunewar]

Don't discount the possibility this could be true too.

We have one very senior official who simply doesn't know how to talk to, coach, council, mentor junior officials and trainees. Berate would be a good word for what he does.

That being said however, hopefully, as is the case here, he is the exception and not the rule. I wish it was nipped in the bud much, much earlier.... and, I don't know if anythng has been/was ever done about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Don't discount the possibility this could be true too..

That being said however, hopefully, as is the case here, he is the exception and not the rule. I wish it was nipped in the bud much, much earlier.... and, I don't know if anythng has been/was ever done about it.

I am sure there is a little bit of truth in the reaction by the newer officials.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

As a new official, I have needed to learn this. There are some times that I just need to shut up and take the criticism, even though I might be right.

For example: I was doing some 3-man games (CYO). An experienced official I had worked with before showed up early for the two games following mine. I asked him to watch me and give me pointers on how to improve. While he was watching me, I called a foul on number 7, and as such had to report the number with two hands. After the game, my observer told me not to report with two hands. I immediately replied "but, but, he had a number that required it!". He didn't understand what I was trying to tell him, and he thought I was just making an excuse. In hindsight I should have just shut up.

Sometimes with people like that, instead of disagreeing or arguing, rephrase it as if you're still asking his advice. For example, instead of "but, but, he had a number that required it!", ask, "How should I report a foul on a number 7?"

[BillyMac]

The four officials at a high school game site should work together as a team. Varsity officials should arrive at the game site no later than the beginning of the second period of the junior varsity game. Junior varsity officials should stay and observe the varsity game until at least halftime of the varsity game in order to learn by watching experienced officials. Many varsity officials try to show up for the beginning of the junior varsity game, and many junior varsity officials will often stay to observe the entire varsity game. The overlap will insure that an official is available if one of the officials at the site becomes ill, or injured. The Board expects veteran officials to observe and offer constructive appraisals, with specific suggestions, to less experienced officials. The Board expects less experienced officials to seek out, and ask for input, from more experienced officials. Partners are expected to offer constructive appraisals to each other. "So? What did you see out there?” is an easy way to start a post-game conversation.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Sometimes with people like that, instead of disagreeing or arguing, rephrase it as if you're still asking his advice. For example, instead of "but, but, he had a number that required it!", ask, "How should I report a foul on a number 7?"

Yup, totally agree. And I still don't know the answer, if you would care to inform me.

[bob jenkins]

Google Sign Language.

One of them has an alternate meaning, so I probably wouldn't use it.

I have used this before; no one batted an eye.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Yup, totally agree. And I still don't know the answer, if you would care to inform me.

There is no proper way b/c 7 is an illegal number. So whatever effectively communicates it to the table is sufficient.