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just another ref Sat Feb 09, 2013 05:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 878091)
I did not say you call something just because you had similar plays called one way and BTW, they called charges on both teams all game long.

You didn't, but some do. I'd just as soon not remember the last call at all. We can call charges all game long and the one that decides the game can still be a block. I'm just saying.

Rich Sat Feb 09, 2013 05:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 878093)
Taking the philosophy too far can be an issue sure...as can any other philosophy, but I see no issue with it.

And I think JRut was just saying that the crew had a history of shipping a bunch earlier in the game so he wouldn't have been surprised to see he same thing on this play. Had nothing to do with calling it a charge because they called other charges earlier. I think.

twocentsworth Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:30pm

Similar plays ABSOLUTELY should have similar calls.....Keep calling it a charge!

When it's a different play, call it a block.

Why is it so hard to understand that similar plays should have similar calls? That's called being consistent.

Rich Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 878117)
Similar plays ABSOLUTELY should have similar calls.....Keep calling it a charge!

When it's a different play, call it a block.

Why is it so hard to understand that similar plays should have similar calls? That's called being consistent.

Every play is different. Judge each play according to the rules and philosophy. No need to think about previous calls at all.

JRutledge Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 878094)
You didn't, but some do. I'd just as soon not remember the last call at all. We can call charges all game long and the one that decides the game can still be a block. I'm just saying.

I am not worried about what others do. I was the one that made the statement about the previous plays. I call plays individually, but consider how many charges were called, I would think a play that close would be called that way as well. Then again that official did not call any of the charges from what I could tell.

Peace

JetMetFan Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:26am

Here's the play...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 878055)
16:03 second half.
WI player falls and trips Michigan player. No call.

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just another ref Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 878132)
I call plays individually, but consider how many charges were called......

I also call plays individually, and I refuse to consider how many anything were previously called.:)

JRutledge Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 878153)
I also call plays individually, and I refuse to consider how many anything were previously called.:)

OK.

Peace

JetMetFan Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:50am

Here's the play...Part 2
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 878063)
Also: 31.9 seconds left in second half, lead calls a block.

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OKREF Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:16am

Looks like he got there before the shooter jumps, then moves a foot back.

APG Sun Feb 10, 2013 04:40am

Block

Camron Rust Sun Feb 10, 2013 05:08am

Block...and not really that close. Shooter was well into the air before the defender got his torso into the path.

Jay R Sun Feb 10, 2013 07:59am

I watched the game this AM and because I read this thread yesterday, I kept track of Hardaway's foul. He should have fouled out. I'm not sure why they didn't get it. He had two fouls in the first half. One in the 2nd and then two in overtime where Michigan was trying to stop the clock.

Regarding the block call with 31 seconds. From the side angle, I thought it could have been a charge but from the lead's angle, it definitely looks more like a block.

I thought another key call was on a out of bounds late in OT where the ball was knocked out of Michigan's hands and Steratore indicated it was off his knee. That was a real tough call against Michigan although there wasn't a good angle on the replay.

SAJ Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 878055)
16:03 second half.
WI player falls and trips Michigan player. No call.

other than giving the ball to the wrong team, i've got a no call as well.

maven Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 878179)
Block...and not really that close. Shooter was well into the air before the defender got his torso into the path.

I see that, plus a hand in the shooter's gut.


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