Trip on a rebound

[RobbyTodd1953]

A1 comes down with a rebound and trips on B1 who is laying on the floor. Is it a traveling on A1 or a block on B1 because B1 is not in a legal guarding position ? Or is there another call ?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by RobbyTodd1953

A1 comes down with a rebound and trips on B1 who is laying on the floor. Is it a traveling on A1 or a block on B1 because B1 is not in a legal guarding position ? Or is there another call ?

FED: Travel

NCAA: Block

[kk13]

Why not a block in both?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by kk13

Why not a block in both?

B/c the rules are different.

[twocentsworth]

We've had a simialr discussion of this type of play before...someone will come along with specific rule citations shortly, but in a nutshell:

NFHS: each player is entitled to a spot on the floor (regardless of player location or whether player is standing/kneeling/laying down.

NCAA-M: any player that has not established LGP and causes (by way of contact) the ball handler to trip/fall/loose control of the ball has committed an "automatic" (to use a John Adams term) foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

NCAA-M: any player that has not established LGP and causes (by way of contact) the ball handler to trip/fall/loose control of the ball has committed an "automatic" (to use a John Adams term) foul.

While more positions are not considered legal when it comes to what is or isn't a block (as in laying on the floor), it isn't quite that universal.

[ColeTops25]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED: Travel

NCAA: Block

I disagree. A player lying in the floor does not have LGP. A player lying on the floor doesn't have both feet touching the floor with his/her torso facing the opponent. Unless you're going to argue while on the floor his feet are touching, but I think that's just being a bit obtuse.

NFHS 4-23

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

I disagree. A player lying in the floor does not have LGP. A player lying on the floor doesn't have both feet touching the floor with his/her torso facing the opponent. Unless you're going to argue while on the floor his feet are touching, but I think that's just being a bit obtuse.

NFHS 4-23

Not all fouls are based on LGP.

Peace

[ColeTops25]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not all fouls are based on LGP.

Peace

By rule, how do you justify the player lying on the floor, and not causing the traveling violation? Are you saying it's case by case, meaning it depends on how the defender got to the floor?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

By rule, how do you justify the player lying on the floor, and not causing the traveling violation? Are you saying it's case by case, meaning it depends on how the defender got to the floor?

Every player is allowed their spot on the floor. That does not have anything to do with LGP. LGP applies to specifically when a defender is trying to prevent an offensive player with the ball. On a rebound you often do not have LGP considering that players are not facing each other or the basket. The NF does not make the distinction like the NCAA does under the rules. So if a player is on the floor and someone trips over them, it is not the responsibility of the person on the floor to be in LGP in this situation.

Peace

[egj13]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

By rule, how do you justify the player lying on the floor, and not causing the traveling violation?

By rule how do you justify calling a trip on the player that hit the floor? Couldn't incidental contact apply here?

As far as your scenario where the kid lays down I would assume you would call that an unsporting foul.

4.19 Art. 14...An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists
of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

I disagree. A player lying in the floor does not have LGP. A player lying on the floor doesn't have both feet touching the floor with his/her torso facing the opponent. Unless you're going to argue while on the floor his feet are touching, but I think that's just being a bit obtuse.

NFHS 4-23

Surely you're not trying to imply that any contact with a player who is not facing the opponent is somehow a foul on that player...

LGP applies in specific situations. Getting landed on is not one of them.