Trip on a rebound
 

A1 comes down with a rebound and trips on B1 who is laying on the floor. Is it a traveling on A1 or a block on B1 because B1 is not in a legal guarding position ? Or is there another call ?

FED: Travel

NCAA: Block

Why not a block in both?

B/c the rules are different.

We've had a simialr discussion of this type of play before...someone will come along with specific rule citations shortly, but in a nutshell:

NFHS: each player is entitled to a spot on the floor (regardless of player location or whether player is standing/kneeling/laying down.

NCAA-M: any player that has not established LGP and causes (by way of contact) the ball handler to trip/fall/loose control of the ball has committed an "automatic" (to use a John Adams term) foul.

While more positions are not considered legal when it comes to what is or isn't a block (as in laying on the floor), it isn't quite that universal.

I disagree. A player lying in the floor does not have LGP. A player lying on the floor doesn't have both feet touching the floor with his/her torso facing the opponent. Unless you're going to argue while on the floor his feet are touching, but I think that's just being a bit obtuse.

NFHS 4-23

Not all fouls are based on LGP.

Peace

By rule, how do you justify the player lying on the floor, and not causing the traveling violation? Are you saying it's case by case, meaning it depends on how the defender got to the floor?

Every player is allowed their spot on the floor. That does not have anything to do with LGP. LGP applies to specifically when a defender is trying to prevent an offensive player with the ball. On a rebound you often do not have LGP considering that players are not facing each other or the basket. The NF does not make the distinction like the NCAA does under the rules. So if a player is on the floor and someone trips over them, it is not the responsibility of the person on the floor to be in LGP in this situation.

Peace

So, lets throw this out there. What if I, as a defender, decide to lay down in the lane as my opponent is posting me up. The post guy receives the pass without the knowledge that his opponent is lying down behind him, and shuffles his feet backwards and falls to the ground....you call a traveling violation?

I think I agree here. Every player is entitled to a spot on the floor, but a spot 6 feet wide is an unfair advantage and not the spirit of the rule.

You hear "within the vertical frame" a lot. You never hear "within the horizontal frame."

By rule how do you justify calling a trip on the player that hit the floor? Couldn't incidental contact apply here?

As far as your scenario where the kid lays down I would assume you would call that an unsporting foul.

4.19 Art. 14...An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists
of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

In the OP, the action all took place during rebounding activity, so LGP has nothing to so with it under NFHS rules.

He doesn't have LGP.

"I was tying my shoe; I had a cramp"...not unsporting.

Now I'm just being obtuse, but my point is I still believe the player on the floor does not have LGP. FWIW, my Interpreter agrees.