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[egj13]

So we had our study club last night and a few interesting game moments were brought up and interested to see how people on here would handle them. Here is the first one (I'll put the second in another thread because they are longish)

4th Quarter, Team A up 7 with 5+ to go. A1 drives to the basket, is fouled by B1 shot does not go in. Official goes to the table to report foul and is notified that it is B1's 5th foul. He turns to coach, informs him that it is the 5th, turns to tell B1 who is walking to the bench but B1 proceeds to rip his shirt out of his shorts and throw his hands up. Official whacks him. Coach asks for an explanation for the T (calmly) so the official walks over to discuss with coach and B1. C and L look over and see the talk going on and start administering free throws. A1 hits first two and then hits both for the T...4 for 4. T finishes explaining, turns to beckon in the sub for B1 and realizes that the shots were administered with only 4 B players on the court.

So the question from our district administrator is two fold. First, do you wipe the 4 throws and re-do or just leave them and play on. Second, is the T on B1 counted as an indirect to the HC of team B. I'll let you know what the crew did in a little bit but want to see all of your responses first.

[bob jenkins]

Play on. Depends on the specific timing of "telling the coach" vs. "earning the T"

[egj13]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Play on. Depends on the specific timing of "telling the coach" vs. "earning the T"

He informed the coach first, then turned to tell the player who objected and earned the T.

[johnny d]

count the free throws. indirect to head coach. player became bench personal as soon as the head coach was informed the player had fouled out.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by johnny d

count the free throws. indirect to head coach. player became bench personal as soon as the head coach was informed the player had fouled out.

Agreed.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by egj13

So we had our study club last night and a few interesting game moments were brought up and interested to see how people on here would handle them. Here is the first one (I'll put the second in another thread because they are longish)

4th Quarter, Team A up 7 with 5+ to go. A1 drives to the basket, is fouled by B1 shot does not go in. Official goes to the table to report foul and is notified that it is B1's 5th foul. He turns to coach, informs him that it is the 5th, turns to tell B1 who is walking to the bench but B1 proceeds to rip his shirt out of his shorts and throw his hands up. Official whacks him. Coach asks for an explanation for the T (calmly) so the official walks over to discuss with coach and B1. C and L look over and see the talk going on and start administering free throws. A1 hits first two and then hits both for the T...4 for 4. T finishes explaining, turns to beckon in the sub for B1 and realizes that the shots were administered with only 4 B players on the court.

So the question from our district administrator is two fold. First, do you wipe the 4 throws and re-do or just leave them and play on. Second, is the T on B1 counted as an indirect to the HC of team B. I'll let you know what the crew did in a little bit but want to see all of your responses first.

I'd leave them and play on.

Yes, the T is an indirect for the reason johnny d outlined.

[bauzer714]

Points stay, know your correctable errors.

As others said, indirect to coach.

[egj13]

Well this was too easy for you all. We were split as a group last night. I said leave them and play on (we all agreed on the indirect T) others said wipe them because B had an illegal player on the court.

By the way...The crew at the game wiped all 4, made the kid re-shoot which he luckily made all 4 on more time.

[ballgame99]

So they would wipe 4 FTs from the shooting team because the officials didn't ensure the 5th player from the non-shooting team was on the floor? In a dead ball situation (ie shooting a T)? That's ballsy.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

That's ballsy.

I can't think of several other words.....

[egj13]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

So they would wipe 4 FTs from the shooting team because the officials didn't ensure the 5th player from the non-shooting team was on the floor? In a dead ball situation (ie shooting a T)? That's ballsy.

That's what they did. The crew wasn't from our pool so this was all passed on through our admin. I would love to ask for their explanation on things.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by egj13

That's what they did. The crew wasn't from our pool so this was all passed on through our admin. I would love to ask for their explanation on things.

NCAA (W at least) interp, I thinks.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by egj13

others said wipe them because B had an illegal player on the court.

From the description in the OP there weren't any illegal players on the court. The officials realized there were only four memebers of Team B on the court. Had B1 not left the court or was he on the bench but his sub hadn't come in?