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just another ref Thu Jan 31, 2013 03:33pm

I know this guy pretty well and know him to be reasonable,
wouldn't have said it to just anybody.

Pantherdreams Thu Jan 31, 2013 03:34pm

Each of these is a "you've got to be there situation."

The coach could be implying they are getting screwed or they could be trying to make a genuine point about something they are seeing or not seeing the same as you and would like clarification.

Ie. Coach A - " The fouls are 10-3. I know its a road game guys, but you haven't got to prove it." - Automatic whack.

Coach B - " The fouls are 5-1." Me - We just call what we are seeing. (On the lookout for ABS issues now.

Coach C - "The fouls are 7 - 2. I get that we're reaching in I'll talk to my kids, but I'ld like our cutters to get the same protection of movement their Pg is getting. I don't feel like we're the more physical team." Me - I hear you. If I see it I'll call it. (no worries we're moving on)

Not to mention Coaches d-zz. This completely depends on the coaches tone, approach and percieved intent.

RookieDude Thu Jan 31, 2013 03:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 876114)
If a coach says something to me about foul counts, that is when I am a smartazz. I will either say, "So" or "Stop fouling." But I will not automatically call a T for this.

Peace

...and if the score is in favor of the Coach complaining..."do you want the score switched also?"

ballgame99 Thu Jan 31, 2013 03:59pm

Man, I missed a big time opportunity to T a coach up this weekend then... "the fouls are 11 to 3, you've got to be kidding me!" Nevermind her team was full-court pressing and fouling like crazy while the other team was in a 2-3 zone... She said it multiple times, then her parrot parents started chirping about it too.

JRutledge Thu Jan 31, 2013 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 876209)
...and if the score is in favor of the Coach complaining..."do you want the score switched also?"

Funny thing happen in a game I worked last year. We went in the first half and did not call a single foul on the visiting team for a half. I believe the foul count was 7-0 at half time. Then the very first foul we called against the team in the second half, I said to the coach after he made an issue out of this, "We did not call a single foul the entire first half, you really should not be complaining about that call." He kind of shut up after that. And in the first half he had almost a 20 point lead.

Peace

Rob1968 Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:19am

"I feel good about everything we've called, Coach."
Then, if the Coach mentions something specific - "Well, they're bumping our post players," or "They're chucking our guys when we try to cross the paint." I respond, "We'll take a look, Coach. Thanks."
Usually, there's no response, and we go from there.

Da Official Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:22am

Reminds me of a game 2 years ago...

Working a JV game at a new high school that only had 9th/10th graders (but had Varsity Head Coaches as they built the program).

Home team is winning by 10 in the 3rd quarter. I am table side during transition (after a foul on her team) and hear the coach ask the scorekeeper "What's the foul count?". I'm like ok I see where this is going.

The table tells her like 5-1. She says "No, the foul count for the entire game?"

I hadn't heard that request before....

I say "Coach, don't go there..."

I run to the other end and then as I'm coming back she yells out "The foul count is 15-5".

WHACK

I report the Technical...Home Coach says nothing and takes her seat.

Asst Coach asks "Why did he give you a T?"

HC says sheepishly "Because I told him the foul count was 15-5..."

Nothing else from the HC that night and home team won by 15...

(Some of you may question the T but she was disrespectful to the other crew members and inciting the fans prior to this. I was the U2.) :cool:

MD Longhorn Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 876324)
I say "Coach, don't go there..."

I run to the other end and then as I'm coming back she yells out "The foul count is 15-5".

WHACK

(Some of you may question the T but she was disrespectful to the other crew members and inciting the fans prior to this. I was the U2.) :cool:

I CERTAINLY don't question this T. You tried to head it off and warn her.

She DECIDED to commit the technical foul. She begged for it. Issue it.

Adam Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:35am

Good T, IMO.

SE Minnestoa Re Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:34pm

A couple of my favorites--

Coach: "Call it both ways" when the foul count is 10-4 with more on the other team.

A coach was once quoted: "The trouble with officials is they don't care who wins"

ballgame99 Fri Feb 01, 2013 01:21pm

Would it be out of line to respond with "Coach, are you suggesting that I care who wins this game? Because I can promise you that I don't". I've thought that in my head many times...

maven Fri Feb 01, 2013 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re (Post 876369)
A coach was once quoted: "The trouble with officials is they don't care who wins"

As the software nerds say: "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" :cool:

Adam Fri Feb 01, 2013 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 876380)
Would it be out of line to respond with "Coach, are you suggesting that I care who wins this game? Because I can promise you that I don't". I've thought that in my head many times...

Too much. I don't discuss foul count, and a coach who brings it up more than once shuts down communication.

#olderthanilook Fri Feb 01, 2013 02:51pm

Coach (in a whiney voice): "You've called 8 fouls on us and only 2 on them! You can't tell me they aren't fouling, too."
Me (in my head): "Not nearly as much as your team."
Me: "Which foul to you have a question about, coach?"
Coach: "I just don't know how we have so many more than they do."
Me: "We're moving on coach. If you have questions about a specific play, we are happy to answer when we can." (As I get away from him)

This usually ends the whining.

Yes, I can be very gracious. Sometimes, not so much. Depends on the actions/words of the coach leading to that exchange.

MD Longhorn Fri Feb 01, 2013 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 876407)
Coach (in a whiney voice): "You've called 8 fouls on us and only 2 on them! You can't tell me they aren't fouling, too."
Me (in my head): "Not nearly as much as your team."
Me: "Which foul to you have a question about, coach?"
Coach: "I just don't know how we have so many more than they do."
Me: "We're moving on coach. If you have questions about a specific play, we are happy to answer when we can." (As I get away from him)

This usually ends the whining.

Yes, I can be very gracious. Sometimes, not so much. Depends on the actions/words of the coach leading to that exchange.

Maybe it's just me.... but from some of these threads, you guys seem to have a LOT more time hanging around by the coaches than I do. There's no way I typically have time for that long of an exchange. I have stuff to do, and very little of it requires me to be next to the coach.


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