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Adam Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 874762)
My response was intentionally general enough to provide officials with various thoughts to consider.

Since you ONLY want to consider this situation in a GV game....my response to you is: "enjoy your career of working GV games. Call every violation/foul/infraction the exact second you see it. I'm sure you'll do well."
You may have been intentionally general, but you weren't clear about it.

If I was to suggest you Google "Wil Wheaton's Advice," that would have been more obvious than the "general" nature of your response.

Raymond Sun Jan 27, 2013 03:44pm
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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 874755)
There is no need to interrupt a scoring-opportunity-in-action by calling the T at that exact moment. You make things a whole lot easier by waiting a few extra seconds.

This is most certainly true when:
- a T on a defensive player would wipe out a scoring chance by the offense. (why penalize the offense for the opponents transgression?)
- a NCAAM game where the resumption of play is POI (if you call the T while no team control, you've got to go the arrow).

By waiting a few extra seconds, it becomes a "cleaner"/easier penalty administration.
How the hell does blowing the whistle while the ball is in flight wipe out a scoring opportunity?

Rich Sun Jan 27, 2013 03:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 874762)
My response was intentionally general enough to provide officials with various thoughts to consider.

Since you ONLY want to consider this situation in a GV game....my response to you is: "enjoy your career of working GV games. Call every violation/foul/infraction the exact second you see it. I'm sure you'll do well."
I've nominated you for the d-bag comment of the day award. Congratulations.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:18pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 874762)
My response was intentionally general enough to provide officials with various thoughts to consider.

Since you ONLY want to consider this situation in a GV game....my response to you is: "enjoy your career of working GV games. Call every violation/foul/infraction the exact second you see it. I'm sure you'll do well."
There's no reason to be a jerk. We're discussing the situation in the thread, not every possible play that could happen. And in this play, there's no reason not to assess the T when the shot is in the air.

rockyroad Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:34pm
Good grief...I honestly can not think of anyone else who is as consistently wrong on this forum as our buddy twocents.

Are you seriously saying that you are concerned about the scoring opportunity of the team whose Coach just told your partner or you that you suck? There is absolutely no reason to hold on calling a T when THAT team has the ball.

And then to compound the error, he throws a derogatory GV comment out...nice. Makes me miss Jurassic today. :mad:

APG Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:38pm
I don't see a real issue with handling it either way.

JRutledge Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:38pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 874828)
I've nominated you for the d-bag comment of the day award. Congratulations.
Is it because he is really being a jerk or that there is some truth to those statements? Or is it because it offends some because they work girls basketball?

It seems like when anyone says anything about girls basketball they are being arrogant or a jerk when many expectations of girls basketball is very different than boys basketball.

Peace

just another ref Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:45pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 874836)
.... many expectations of girls basketball is very different than boys basketball.

True, but not in the case at hand.

JRutledge Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 874837)
True, but not in the case at hand.
You are probably correct, but it just seems like if anyone says anything about girls basketball we start making accusations. Of course the person in question often has a history of saying silly stuff, but I wonder if he said nothing about girl's basketball anyone would be calling him a jerk just for these comments?

Peace

Raymond Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:52pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 874838)
You are probably correct, but it just seems like if anyone says anything about girls basketball we start making accusations. Of course the person in question often has a history of saying silly stuff, but I wonder if he said nothing about girl's basketball anyone would be calling him a jerk just for these comments?

Peace
No, I'd just be calling him stupid for saying that blowing your whistle for a T while a try is in flight will wipe out a scoring opportunity.

Rich Sun Jan 27, 2013 04:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 874836)
Is it because he is really being a jerk or that there is some truth to those statements? Or is it because it offends some because they work girls basketball?

It seems like when anyone says anything about girls basketball they are being arrogant or a jerk when many expectations of girls basketball is very different than boys basketball.

Peace
If this was a simple "bash girls basketball" comment, I would've ignored it. Even if I agree with those comments, I try not to make them too often myself.

Instead he made a comment which made no sense (calling a T with the ball in flight has no effect on the scoring opportunity since the play posted WAS a GV play under NFHS rules) and he took a chance, then, to make a gratuitous swipe at GV basketball which had no place in the thread.

And the expectations and the outcomes *are* far different. Nobody said otherwise.

JRutledge Sun Jan 27, 2013 05:05pm
Just asking. I just commented on a trend.

And I agree with BNR, that pretty much would have been my take.

Peace

just another ref Sun Jan 27, 2013 05:08pm
Couple of problems here. He went off on another tangent about waiting and not stopping the scoring opportunity, if the T is on the defense. While this may be true in those other situations, not only is there no benefit to waiting here, as pointed out by Tony, the opposite may be the case. The offense may have a quick rebound and putback attempt, or there may be a foul by the defense on the rebound. That's the last thing you want here, is for the offending team to have any kind of chance for something positive.

rockyroad Sun Jan 27, 2013 06:04pm
The "d-bag factor" of his comment really doesn't have anything to do with Girls basketball. The fact is that twocents again posted incorrect information, and then when called on it, told a very accomplished official that that official wasn't good enough to do anything but GV ball. You could substitute rec league, Church league, Jr. high, or several other things for the GV part of twocents post, and it would still be a d-bag post.

LeeBallanfant Sun Jan 27, 2013 08:27pm
From my personal experience, the official calling the T should also be the official to determine if the ball was released before/after T. The other official(s) are not expecting this and when you get the T sorted out and ask them 1 or 2 minutes later whether the ball was released before or after the whistle , good luck


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