Vid Request: GT BYU/Gonzaga 12:45 First half

[Sharpshooternes]

I think the defender contacted the ball after it had hit the backboard. Pretty bang bang though. Thoughts?

[APG]

Think you meant the defender hit the ball after it hit the backboard. He did, but the ball was below the level of the rim, thus a legal block. NBA, this would be goaltending since the ball was still on it's upward flight.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

Think you meant the defender hit the ball after it hit the backboard. He did, but the ball was below the level of the rim, thus a legal block. NBA, this would be goaltending since the ball was still on it's upward flight.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If the ball is traveling upward after hitting the backboard below the level of the rim (with the caveat that it has a chance to score), it's goaltending if the defense contacts the ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

If the ball is traveling upward after hitting the backboard below the level of the rim (with the caveat that it has a chance to score), it's goaltending if the defense contacts the ball.

So when can the defense contact the ball after it hits the backboard in the NBA?

Your post made it seem like the pertinent factor was that the ball was still travelling upwards.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So when can the defense contact the ball after it hits the backboard in the NBA?

Your post made it seem like the pertinent factor was that the ball was still travelling upwards.

If the ball is below the rim in the NBA? Yes, the pertinent factor would be if the ball is on its upward flight.

The defense can only touch the ball if it doesn't have a chance to score. So if we want to relate to when the defense can touch the ball if it's below the level of the rim in the NBA? If it's on its downward flight.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

If the ball is below the rim in the NBA? Yes, the pertinent factor would be if the ball is on its upward flight.

The defense can only touch the ball if it doesn't have a chance to score. So if we want to relate to when the defense can touch the ball if it's below the level of the rim in the NBA? If it's on its downward flight.

At that point it is a missed shot. And I know of no level in which it would be a goaltend.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

At that point it is a missed shot. And I know of no level in which it would be a goaltend.

I agree, the ball wouldn't have a chance to be scored at that point.

[JetMetFan]

[Camron Rust]

Correct call...the ball was not entirely above the level of the rim so it can't be GT.

[Raymond]

Ball looks like it is in contact with the rim when B1 makes the block.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ball looks like it is in contact with the rim when B1 makes the block.

OK. Are you suggesting it should be BI? If so, contact with the rim may be a good rule of thumb most of the time, but it isn't an entirely accurate interpretation of the actual rule. The BI rule requires the ball be "on" the basket (within is not relevant to this discussion). To me, that means "on", not beside and certainly not under. Until that ball is entirely above he rim and laying on the rim, I'm not considering that "on" the basket.

[JetMetFan]

NCAA 4-5

Section 5. Basket Interference
Art. 1. The ball shall be considered to be within the basket when any part of the ball is below the cylinder and the level of the ring.
Art. 2. Basket interference occurs when a player:
a. Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket;
b. Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has the ring as its lower base;
c. Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it enters the cylinder; or
d. Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position.
Art. 3. A player may have a hand legally in contact with the ball, when this contact continues after the ball enters the cylinder or when, in such action, the player touches or grabs the basket.

NCAA 4-34

Section 34. Goaltending
Art. 1. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exceptions: Rules 10-3.6; 10-6.1.i)
a. The ball is on its downward flight; and
b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.
Art. 2. It is goaltending to touch the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw, regardless of whether the free throw is on its upward or downward flight.
Art. 3. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Ball looks like it is in contact with the rim when B1 makes the block.

I don't believe the ball was contacted while the ball was on the rim or had the rim as its lower base.