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MD Longhorn Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:58pm

Waiting on a tech?
 
A makes a steal and has an apparent 2 on zero breakaway. B's coach issues some creative language regarding your parentage, earning a T.

1) Do you wait until the breakaway has scored before issuing the T?
2) What if the first shot is missed, but B team defenders are still not back and A still has another easy shot - wait still?

just another ref Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:00pm

Wait until the scoring opportunity passes. It's a casebook play, I think.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 873890)
Wait until the scoring opportunity passes. It's a casebook play, I think.

Question 1 was for the partner I discussed this with... who did not do that.
Question 2 was more for me... how long is "the scoring opportunity".

bob jenkins Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 873890)
Wait until the scoring opportunity passes. It's a casebook play, I think.

Yes, it is. 10.4.1

As soon as the shot is made or missed, assess the T

OKREF Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:06pm

Delayed whistle. Let the play happen, if they score on the lay up then get it, if they don't then get it after the attempt.

APG Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:06pm

1. Most definitely wait.
2. I'd still wait in this situation.

just another ref Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 873900)
2. I'd still wait in this situation.

So would I. I see no limit on time or number of attempts. The key phase for me is "defenders are still not back."

tjones1 Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:33pm

I'd wait until Team B got possession.

CMHCoachNRef Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 873889)
A makes a steal and has an apparent 2 on zero breakaway. B's coach issues some creative language regarding your parentage, earning a T.

1) Do you wait until the breakaway has scored before issuing the T?
2) What if the first shot is missed, but B team defenders are still not back and A still has another easy shot - wait still?

1). Wait
2). Wait....
...Now Go....

JRutledge Wed Jan 23, 2013 04:23pm

Just do not call the T when the player is shooting.

I had a partner do this and there was an issue of if the basket counted or if it did not count (not by the crew but the coach). No hurry to call the T when a team is driving hard to the basket.

Peace

BillyMac Wed Jan 23, 2013 04:25pm

Withhold Whistle ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 873895)
10.4.1.

10.4.1 SITUATION F: A1 is driving toward the basket for an apparent goal when
the official, while trailing the play advancing in the direction in which the ball is
being advanced, is cursed by the head coach or bench personnel of Team B. How
should the official handle this situation? RULING: The official shall withhold blowing
the whistle until A1 has either made or missed the shot. The official shall then
sound the whistle and assess the Team B head coach or bench personnel with a
technical foul. If the official judges the act to be flagrant, the offender shall be
ejected. If A’s coach or bench personnel was the offender, the whistle shall be
sounded immediately when the unsporting act occurs. (10-4-1a)

BktBallRef Wed Jan 23, 2013 05:57pm

I see no reason not to wait.

rockyroad Wed Jan 23, 2013 06:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 873909)
I'd wait until Team B got possession.

Hahaha!!

Vicious!:D

StlCards Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:24pm

I had a situation like this last night, but with an intentional foul.

A1 had had the ball stolen by B1 at A's end of the floor. A1 and B1 both go to the floor but B has a breakaway. A1 is mad because she fell and lost the ball and throws an elbow into B1 while on the ground. I waited to call the foul after B scored the layup but wasn't sure if this is right. The more my partners and I thought about it, it should have been called right away since that reduces the risk of retaliation. Thoughts?

JRutledge Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by StlCards (Post 876529)
I had a situation like this last night, but with an intentional foul.

A1 had had the ball stolen by B1 at A's end of the floor. A1 and B1 both go to the floor but B has a breakaway. A1 is mad because she fell and lost the ball and throws an elbow into B1 while on the ground. I waited to call the foul after B scored the layup but wasn't sure if this is right. The more my partners and I thought about it, it should have been called right away since that reduces the risk of retaliation. Thoughts?

You do not wait to call intentional fouls. Only technical fouls you can wait because you are reacting to conduct, not contact. You should have called the foul right away or you will have other action that will continue and you might have to call other things. I do not like to say never, but never wait for an intentional foul to be called just because someone is trying to score.

Peace


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