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Camron Rust Wed Jan 23, 2013 06:11pm
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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 873880)
Look at it this way: the home team needs the visiting team's agreement to reschedule the start time. The teams have a contract that specifies the start time. The teams may, by common consent, reschedule the start time at any point prior to the ball being tossed.
You think HS games have a contract? I doubt that most of them have anything like that. The league dictates most of their schedules.


I've started games up to 1 hour late due to the earlier games running long (OT's plus and extended delay for injury). The schedule start time was 7:30. Since the game before was still in the 1st half at 7:20, I was not going to check to see if both teams had provided their info. I wasn't even on the court. :p

BktBallRef Wed Jan 23, 2013 06:39pm
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 873733)
The opposing coach vocalized his concern about getting the underclassmen to another game across town.
I'm curious. Did charging the opponent with a technical foul get the underclassmen to the other game on time? :rolleyes:

We don't know why the home coach was late. Perhaps a valid reason, perhaps not.

However, scheduling a second game for players to play in on the same night certainly doesn't seem very prudent. I wonder who the coach would blame if this game had gone into overtime?

Seems to me the technical was assessed moreso to please the visiting coach than anything else. Personally, I would not have called it. I think this penalty is more about fair play and assumes the coach is actually in the building but does not complete his duties. I've seen a state Elite Eight game delayed 45 minutes because one team brought the wrong color uniforms. No one even suggested a technical foul.


Don't be a plumber.

SCalScoreKeeper Wed Jan 23, 2013 07:45pm
I've had two games in seven years start with free throws-almost had number three yesterday.

A.Varsity Boys-kid dunking during warmups

B.JV Girls Tourney-uniform issue

Near miss was last night-JV Girls-visitors have two #12's in away uniforms.coach offers to turn one of them into #2 but coach just decides not to play the player so he can have his box.

Eastshire Wed Jan 23, 2013 08:39pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 873943)
You think HS games have a contract? I doubt that most of them have anything like that. The league dictates most of their schedules.


I've started games up to 1 hour late due to the earlier games running long (OT's plus and extended delay for injury). The schedule start time was 7:30. Since the game before was still in the 1st half at 7:20, I was not going to check to see if both teams had provided their info. I wasn't even on the court. :p
Your area my be different. In my area, yes, these games are contracted between the schools.

Sharpshooternes Wed Jan 23, 2013 08:57pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 873765)
That might be his concern, but then he shouldn't have scheduled the games so close together. And, how does starting the game with a T make it end any sooner? If he's so concerned he can talk to the other coach and agree to shorten the game.

Your concern is only the current game.
Three very valid points.

Sharpshooternes Wed Jan 23, 2013 09:01pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 873784)
The start time is not the time you are given with your assignment -- it's the time the home team gives you when you on site. If the home team isn't on the floor ready to play, how is this your concern as an official? They aren't ready, you don't play.

(Side question: Was there a countdown timer on the clock? Was it counting down?)

If I whacked a team every time they weren't ready to go by the posted start time, I'd have to call technicals 80% of the time when the JV game ran over. While that might be fun, it certainly isn't the right thing to do.
Yes, the clock was set and counting down when I arrived. They stopped it at 5 minutes so the team could finish getting ready. And no I don't think it is the right thing to do every time if the game doesn't start right when scheduled.

Sharpshooternes Wed Jan 23, 2013 09:08pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 873953)
I'm curious. Did charging the opponent with a technical foul get the underclassmen to the other game on time? :rolleyes:

We don't know why the home coach was late. Perhaps a valid reason, perhaps not.

However, scheduling a second game for players to play in on the same night certainly doesn't seem very prudent. I wonder who the coach would blame if this game had gone into overtime?

Seems to me the technical was assessed moreso to please the visiting coach than anything else. Personally, I would not have called it. I think this penalty is more about fair play and assumes the coach is actually in the building but does not complete his duties. I've seen a state Elite Eight game delayed 45 minutes because one team brought the wrong color uniforms. No one even suggested a technical foul.


Don't be a plumber.
I agree with you on all points. Especially the plumber part. :D

bob jenkins Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:28am
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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 873962)
I've had two games in seven years start with free throws-almost had number three yesterday.

A.Varsity Boys-kid dunking during warmups

B.JV Girls Tourney-uniform issue

Near miss was last night-JV Girls-visitors have two #12's in away uniforms.coach offers to turn one of them into #2 but coach just decides not to play the player so he can have his box.
The coach doesn't lose his box for an administrative T.

And, it's a T to have identical numbers in the book even if one (or both) of them doesn't play.

SCalScoreKeeper Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:18am
Thanks Bob-
I had a suspicion that was the case :D He passed on the T for duplicate numbers when the coach said he wouldn't play one of them.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:30am
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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 874130)
Thanks Bob-
I had a suspicion that was the case :D He passed on the T for duplicate numbers when the coach said he wouldn't play one of them.
I'm not sure that's "wrong" at a JV game.


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