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just another ref Wed Jan 23, 2013 02:36am
Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?

Pantherdreams Wed Jan 23, 2013 01:13pm
just another ref Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?

Yup. Was working a game VG (2 man) earlier this year. End of regulation. Visitors make a free throw with 2 seconds left. To go up 2. Home team has already had their last time out, steps out of bounds scrambling to set a desperation play. Throws a half court pass to a healvily denied player at half moving away from Visitor goal. She catches and can barely maintain balance, no chance she's going to gather and heave in time. Home team defender bodies up and the home player goes down because of her lack of balance combined with the contact. Whistle blows, horn goes. We are in the penalty and home is shooting two with no time on the clock.

Home kid makes both and sends it to OT. They lost in double in OT.

SO not to hijack the OP, but if the foul is a DQ foul (5th, etc) can the coach get his/her 30 seconds before the free throw shooter takes shots?

Rich Wed Jan 23, 2013 01:17pm
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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 873817)
just another ref Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?

Yup. Was working a game VG (2 man) earlier this year. End of regulation. Visitors make a free throw with 2 seconds left. To go up 2. Home team has already had their last time out, steps out of bounds scrambling to set a desperation play. Throws a half court pass to a healvily denied player at half moving away from Visitor goal. She catches and can barely maintain balance, no chance she's going to gather and heave in time. Home team defender bodies up and the home player goes down because of her lack of balance combined with the contact. Whistle blows, horn goes. We are in the penalty and home is shooting two with no time on the clock.

Home kid makes both and sends it to OT. They lost in double in OT.

SO not to hijack the OP, but if the foul is a DQ foul (5th, etc) can the coach get his/her 30 seconds before the free throw shooter takes shots?
30 seconds? Try again.

Based on the description, it's unlikely I'd be bailing the home team out with a foul.

just another ref Wed Jan 23, 2013 01:19pm
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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 873817)
just another ref Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?

Yup. Was working a game VG (2 man) earlier this year. End of regulation. Visitors make a free throw with 2 seconds left. To go up 2. Home team has already had their last time out, steps out of bounds scrambling to set a desperation play. Throws a half court pass to a healvily denied player at half moving away from Visitor goal. She catches and can barely maintain balance, no chance she's going to gather and heave in time. Home team defender bodies up and the home player goes down because of her lack of balance combined with the contact. Whistle blows, horn goes. We are in the penalty and home is shooting two with no time on the clock.

Home kid makes both and sends it to OT. They lost in double in OT.

SO not to hijack the OP, but if the foul is a DQ foul (5th, etc) can the coach get his/her 30 seconds before the free throw shooter takes shots?
This was not a foul after the horn.

rockyroad Wed Jan 23, 2013 01:37pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 873751)
Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?
Yep.

Technical fouls on coaches.

Also had a T on a player after the horn sounded to end the game because he threw the ball at an opponent. Opponent made both free throws and sent it to
OT.

OKREF Wed Jan 23, 2013 01:41pm
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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 873817)
just another ref Anybody ever see/call a foul after the horn committed against a player other that the shooter?

Yup. Was working a game VG (2 man) earlier this year. End of regulation. Visitors make a free throw with 2 seconds left. To go up 2. Home team has already had their last time out, steps out of bounds scrambling to set a desperation play. Throws a half court pass to a healvily denied player at half moving away from Visitor goal. She catches and can barely maintain balance, no chance she's going to gather and heave in time. Home team defender bodies up and the home player goes down because of her lack of balance combined with the contact. Whistle blows, horn goes. We are in the penalty and home is shooting two with no time on the clock.

Home kid makes both and sends it to OT. They lost in double in OT.

SO not to hijack the OP, but if the foul is a DQ foul (5th, etc) can the coach get his/her 30 seconds before the free throw shooter takes shots?
No. But he can have 20 seconds

rawhi1 Fri Jan 25, 2013 02:45pm
Possibility?!
 
Couldn't a player take a last second shot 35 feet from the basket with .4 tenth of second remaining get fouled and miss the shot. He is entitled to the free throws although time has expires. IMO.

OKREF Fri Jan 25, 2013 02:52pm
Had this last night. Game tied, A1 drives the lane, misses, A2 gets rebound goes up and gets hammered. Partner who is lead has a foul, almost at the same time as the horn going off. 00 on the clock, we clear the lane, makes first free throw. Game over.

I saw attempt, heard whistle, heard horn. No way of knowing how much time to put back on, if any.

just another ref Fri Jan 25, 2013 02:58pm
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Originally Posted by rawhi1 (Post 874404)
Couldn't a player take a last second shot 35 feet from the basket with .4 tenth of second remaining get fouled and miss the shot. He is entitled to the free throws although time has expires. IMO.
correct

just another ref Fri Jan 25, 2013 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 874407)
Had this last night. Game tied, A1 drives the lane, misses, A2 gets rebound goes up and gets hammered. Partner who is lead has a foul, almost at the same time as the horn going off. 00 on the clock, we clear the lane, makes first free throw. Game over.

I saw attempt, heard whistle, heard horn. No way of knowing how much time to put back on, if any.
The actual timing of the whistle in relation to the horn doesn't matter.

OKREF Fri Jan 25, 2013 03:09pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 874414)
The actual timing of the whistle in relation to the horn doesn't matter.
Correct. Just saying it was that close, the horn and whistle were almost simultaneous, and that I was not even thinking of putting time back on.


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