One man show

[loners4me]

Does your opinion change if this school assigns its own games? Asst principal/AD & coach. He keeps the checkbook in his pocket and I knew that.....

[Rich]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Does your opinion change if this school assigns its own games? Asst principal/AD & coach. He keeps the checkbook in his pocket and I knew that.....

Probably not. I'm not one to ask for or demand money at the site. I would probably send an email to the AD the next day. Then decide if I'm ever going back there based on the response.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich

Probably not. I'm not one to ask for or demand money at the site. I would probably send an email to the AD the next day. Then decide if I'm ever going back there based on the response.

In the OP, the AD may already have decided if the official is going back.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the OP, the AD may already have decided if the official is going back.

Perhaps. But the guy worked solo and the AD told him he did a good job.

Could be they're scarce of bodies at the freshman level at that school.

I just find it unseemly to ask for or demand money on the spot. I've always gotten paid for a game, eventually. And a nice follow-up email the next day that suggests to the AD that it's the right thing to do to pay the official extra would probably go over better.

And I agree with the OP -- if the school is hiring directly and the OP stays and works solo, he should be paid extra.

[icallfouls]

So you are at work, and one of your co-workers is "sick." You are told that the project needs to be completed by the end of the day.

Are you asking for your co-workers pay for the day or are you just getting the work done?

[constable]

Our association pays 1.5x for solo games.

I am glad we have an assignor who doles out the games. I'd hate to deal with the 220 schools we cover.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

I'd hate to deal with the 220 schools we cover.

Wow. Boys, girls, varsity, junior varsity, freshman? We cover 70 schools and have about 325 officials. How many officials does your local board have? We also cover many middle school games, but not for every middle school in our geographic area.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by constable

Our association pays 1.5x for solo games.

I am glad we have an assignor who doles out the games. I'd hate to deal with the 220 schools we cover.

The schools only assign non-conference games where I live. I only deal with the 60 or so within an hour drive and I usually pick up a few games with a mass email or two I send at the appropriate times.

Otherwise, I deal with about a dozen league/conference commissioners who assign conference play.

One advantage with this system is that no one assignor holds complete sway over me as in a central assignor system. If one gets mad and cuts a schedule (or eliminates it) from me, I have 11 others and I can take an extra game or two from those to cover the slack. I went 7 years without working one of the conferences here (in multiple sports) because of something that happened in a football game in 2004. I shrugged and moved on -- now that the assignor is retired and a new one is in place, I work the conference....when I'm available to do so.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

So you are at work, and one of your co-workers is "sick." You are told that the project needs to be completed by the end of the day.

Are you asking for your co-workers pay for the day or are you just getting the work done?

At my 9-to-5 I'm not an independent contractor. Apples and oranges.

I'm tired of the all the "it's not the school's fault" mantra. It was also not loners fault the other official didn't show up.

This is where I like working through association assignors. We get paid double by the association for solo games and the "no-show" gets fined a game check. The fine is appeal-able.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

The OhioHSAA official's game contract does not cover the situation where the second official does not show. The MichiganHSAA official's game contract states that if the second official does not show the other officials gets both game fees.

My position is if I have to do the work of two officials I want two game fees. Of course that means I have to give my game fee check to Mark, Jr., every time we officiate together, .

MTD, Sr.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by loners4me

Does your opinion change if this school assigns its own games? Asst principal/AD & coach. He keeps the checkbook in his pocket and I knew that.....

As an official assigned to referee that game, that really should be of no concern to you at that particular point in time. Your focus should be solely on "pre-gaming yourself" as to how you are going to go about working the game solo.

As many others have already stated, work the game and then contact your assignor regarding proper (additional) payment for working the game solo.

[Tio]

Agreed with other posters in that you should defer to your assignor/association rules regarding 1 man officiating game fees. Typically this is slightly higher than the 2-person fee but not 2 game checks.

The school should not have to pay for 2 officials if that is not the service that was provided.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

Agreed with other posters in that you should defer to your assignor/association rules regarding 1 man officiating game fees. Typically this is slightly higher than the 2-person fee but not 2 game checks.

The school should not have to pay for 2 officials if that is not the service that was provided.

Agreed, but how many times are we willing to give them three officials for the price of two?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Agreed, but how many times are we willing to give them three officials for the price of two?

I would be more than willing to offer a 3-for-the-price-of-less-than-3 arrangement (2.5 perhaps) as a way to gradually move us to full-time 3-person, but I never offer to work 3-for-2 anymore.

The school needs to put some skin in the game or we'll do the best we can with two officials.