Charge

[drofficial]

This play exemplifies all that is wrong with BB. Everybody wants to see a great dunk. So three officials stand there and watch as a guy runs over a defender. I know, I know, no one wants to be the guy who comes out and waves this one off. But we have to...

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[Raymond]

What's your point? What do you want us to do about this play?

So first all officials don't call travelling. Now all officials don't call block/charge plays involving dunks?

[rockchalk jhawk]

Without slowing that down to frame by frame I can't tell that the defender has finished sliding sideways to get to his position before the offensive player leaves the ground. Plus the offensive player pretty much jumps completely over the defender. In my opinion a no call is the right call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Without slowing that down to frame by frame I can't tell that the defender has finished sliding sideways to get to his position before the offensive player leaves the ground. Plus the offensive player pretty much jumps completely over the defender. In my opinion a no call is the right call.

And the secondary defender might have been in the arc and it looks like he also might have been moving forward (not that he wouldn't have taken some contact if he didn't but moving forward puts the burden on him)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Plus the offensive player pretty much jumps completely over the defender.

I beg to differ on his one. If you stop it at the 0:06 mark A1's knee is in B1's face. From the angle you can't tell whether the defender obtained LGP but I agree with the premise of the OP: there should have been a whistle on this one way or another. This isn't incidental contact.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And the secondary defender might have been in the ar

Bob, this is a H.S. game so the RA isn't in effect...or at least it shouldn't be.

[stiffler3492]

I agree that there needs to be a call here, but I could easily see myself in awe of what happened there and unable to blow the whistle.

Hard to tell for sure from the angle of the camera, but just going off of that, I have a blocking foul.

[OKREF]

I had this last year. Fast break, defense gets position just on the lane line, offense jumps for the dunk. When the contact happens, the offensive players knee hits the defense in the chest, and he finishes with a dunk. Waved it off and had a charge. The entire gym went nuts with the dunk, and I am going the other way. It was great to hear everybody boo me, but it was an easy call.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Bob, this is a H.S. game so the RA isn't in effect...or at least it shouldn't be.

My mistake on that. I just saw the court and didn't pay attention to the teams or wording on the link.

[JugglingReferee]

Threads merged since they both talked about the same play, and the longer thread already has discussion about the call/no call. Thank you to canuckrefguy for embedding.

[canuckrefguy]

Can't really see whether defender's feet are completely outside the semi-circle - but let's assume they are.
Whatcha got?

[JugglingReferee]

PC in a Fed game.

Not sure about NCAA, as I believe this would be a secondary defender with a foot in the RA - which I think if anything, means a block.

The little shift by B1's left foot doesn't change the torso position, which remained stationary when LGP was established.

[OKREF]

Player Control, and the RA doesn't matter under NFHS rules.

[JRutledge]

I can live with the no call on this as the contact took place mostly after the dunk. So to me the contact is mostly incidental as it did not prevent the dunk from happening and the play was basically over. I guess I can see a block or charge call here, but I would need another look or angle to see if the defender was not moving sideways when the player went airborne.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I can live with the no call on this as the contact took place mostly after the dunk. So to me the contact is mostly incidental as it did not prevent the dunk from happening and the play was basically over. I guess I can see a block or charge call here, but I would need another look or angle to see if the defender was not moving sideways when the player went airborne.

Peace

Hogwash. The only contact after the dunk was B hitting the ground after being illegal contacted.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Hogwash. The only contact after the dunk was B hitting the ground after being illegal contacted.

Hogwash?

The contact or the action that put the player on the floor mostly took place after the ball was through the hoop. If you want to come in and say that is a foul, fine. I can see why it was not called and it might have been the judgment of the official that this was going to be a block and called nothing because the play was completed. Which would have made it incidental contact by rule if no one was put at an disadvantage.

Peace