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Rich Wed Jan 09, 2013 04:38pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 871223)
I use to say that, and some do here. Now, since the rule doesn't say to do this, I simply tell them to let me know, because otherwise I have to guess. If I'm feeling comedic, I'll point out that my wife tells me I'm horrible at reading minds so I'll probably guess wrong.

I'm not a fan of this -- I prefer to use a bit of preventive officiating. I ask once and I make sure the coach has my attention before I ask. Otherwise, it's a 60.

Since when do we need a rule to be preventive? Giving the "wrong" timeout seems like it can cause more trouble than it's worth.

Adam Wed Jan 09, 2013 05:00pm

I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.

Tio Wed Jan 09, 2013 06:08pm

In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 871236)
I must have been unclear. My point was I don't default to a full. I try to guess, but I can't guarantee I'll guess correctly. Seems my odds are at least as good as if I defaulted to a 60.


BillyMac Wed Jan 09, 2013 06:09pm

Better To Be Safe Than Sorry ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 871222)
If I know when they have none, I can figure out on my own if one is excess.

Two officials. Two teams. Figure out the permutations. I want the scorekeeper to tell me when a team has used an excess (illegal) timeout, just in case I, or my partner, forgets that it's an excess (illegal) timeout that must be penalized. This is not a correctable error.

Also, more importantly, it's a rule: 2-11-9: Signal the nearer official each time a team is granted a time-out in excess of the allotted number.

Now, where are my house keys?

BillyMac Wed Jan 09, 2013 06:13pm

Thirty Or Sixty ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 871220)
"Let us see the 30 signal, or you will get a full."

After we ask once, or twice, without a response, this is the way it's done here in my little corner of the Constitution State.

The only difference is that out local interpreter wants us to call these thirty second, and sixty second, timeouts, not thirty second time outs, and full timeouts. Kinda like endline, and baseline, don't you think??

Adam Wed Jan 09, 2013 09:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tio (Post 871240)
In a HS game or non-media game this would be fine. However, even in small college games there are media formats and depending on the format, the full-timeouts can burn a media timeout. So just something to consider if you have that in your game.

It doesn't take that much longer to ask a coach what they want.... ideally you should not be starting the timeout clock until both players are at their benches which should give you a few seconds if you need clarification.

Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

just another ref Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 871262)
Wait, when did I say I don't ask?

What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

Adam Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 871264)
What is wrong with having a default? If you have a default, you don't have to ask.

Didn't say anything was wrong with it. I just don't do it. When I did, i still asked.


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