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letemplay Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:59am

I guess what I'm asking is suppose Team A has a spot throwin on their baseline about half way to corner. With Team B in a 2-3 zone, A1 attempts to throw the inbounds pass to a shooter in far corner. B5 standing near baseline under basket reaches for pass and knocks it back out of bounds. Even if he contacted ball prior to ball breaking plane, how many of us have a T here or should we?

26 Year Gap Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 870064)
I guess what I'm asking is suppose Team A has a spot throwin on their baseline about half way to corner. With Team B in a 2-3 zone, A1 attempts to throw the inbounds pass to a shooter in far corner. B5 standing near baseline under basket reaches for pass and knocks it back out of bounds. Even if he contacted ball prior to ball breaking plane, how many of us have a T here or should we?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

JRutledge Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:02pm

It is a technical foul if they reach through the throw-in plane just to touch the ball. If it is obvious I have a T. If it is close I might give some benefit of the doubt. Never seen this where that was an issue so I am not really going to worry about it that much.

Peace

Scrapper1 Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:10pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 870064)
I guess what I'm asking is suppose Team A has a spot throwin on their baseline about half way to corner. With Team B in a 2-3 zone, A1 attempts to throw the inbounds pass to a shooter in far corner. B5 standing near baseline under basket reaches for pass and knocks it back out of bounds. Even if he contacted ball prior to ball breaking plane, how many of us have a T here or should we?

It's a throw-in pass. It's been released. When can it be touched by the defense?

bob jenkins Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 870064)
I guess what I'm asking is suppose Team A has a spot throwin on their baseline about half way to corner. With Team B in a 2-3 zone, A1 attempts to throw the inbounds pass to a shooter in far corner. B5 standing near baseline under basket reaches for pass and knocks it back out of bounds. Even if he contacted ball prior to ball breaking plane, how many of us have a T here or should we?

This is a legal play.

The restrictions end when the ball is released on a throw-in pass, even if that is before the ball crosses the plane.

letemplay Fri Jan 04, 2013 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 870066)
That has absolutely nothing to do with the OP.

Oh, and I'm the first one ever to high jack a thread:confused:

Thought I was asking a relative question. If not, in the words of my hero Steve Martin: WELL EXCUUUUSSSSEEEE MEEEEE:mad:

Thank you Bob for your explanation.

26 Year Gap Fri Jan 04, 2013 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 870117)
Oh, and I'm the first one ever to high jack a thread:confused:

Thought I was asking a relative question. If not, in the words of my hero Steve Martin: WELL EXCUUUUSSSSEEEE MEEEEE:mad:

Thank you Bob for your explanation.

That is all well and good if you asked about a different situation as the OP. However, you really never moved off your original position of questioning the judgment of the original play description. A simple "What about this situation?" would do. It happens all of the time here. Otherwise, it appears that you are trying to discuss the original posit and are not using the original language of the play. A spot throw-in is entirely different from a throw-in after a made basket. But rather than accept the possiblity of a misinterpretation, you elected to go in a different direction.

And, it is "hijack" btw.:rolleyes:

letemplay Fri Jan 04, 2013 02:38pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 870122)
That is all well and good if you asked about a different situation as the OP. However, you really never moved off your original position of questioning the judgment of the original play description. A simple "What about this situation?" would do. It happens all of the time here. Otherwise, it appears that you are trying to discuss the original posit and are not using the original language of the play. A spot throw-in is entirely different from a throw-in after a made basket. But rather than accept the possiblity of a misinterpretation, you elected to go in a different direction.

And, it is "hijack" btw.:rolleyes:

"Sorry, if it happened like that I guess I missed it.":D

Sharpshooternes Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:29pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 870125)
"Sorry, if it happened like that I guess I missed it.":D

What are your thoughts on calling the DOG for breaking the plane? I see it happen in pretty much every game but have never seen anyone call it here. I did once, but have been extremely lenient since then.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:59am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 870337)
I see it happen in pretty much every game

You're looking too hard.

That is, I'm not disagreeing that a finger ot two might not break the plane, but you want the call to be more obvious before you call it.

Freddy Sun Jan 06, 2013 09:13am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 870088)
This is a legal play.

The restrictions end when the ball is released on a throw-in pass, even if that is before the ball crosses the plane.

Correct that this is a legal play for the defense.
But (though not with the response above in any way in mind, nor any hijack hijinx intended) an offensive player does not have this luxury (7-6-2).

As for the rare need for one of us to determine whether the thrown ball was a 7-5-7 pass to a teammate OOB or a pass deep across to the other side of the court, that's why good positioning so as to, with a quick movement, see right down the OOB line is important, I guess. Can't afford to back away farther OOB, or "leave early" to start heading up court after a made basket, right?


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