Post game conference

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Too many JV guys are in their cars before the echo of the final horn has faded. Always be learning. I was never refused an audience if I asked for it. But the key is to listen, not to critique. To see how advice given after your game was employed in their game. Post-game discussions almost always occur unless the "in it for the money guys" are on the game with you.

One of my biggest pet peeves are the JV or prelim guys leave right after the game. Some do not even get out of the clothes they officiated in and are in the car before the game following starts. That is how I learned from veterans was to stick around and talk to them and learn from what they did on the floor. And then these guys are the first to complain why they are not moving up, but do not do the things it takes to learn from others. I cannot imagine a game without us talking about some play afterwards on some level.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One of my biggest pet peeves are the JV or prelim guys leave right after the game. Some do not even get out of the clothes they officiated in and are in the car before the game following starts. That is how I learned from veterans was to stick around and talk to them and learn from what they did on the floor. And then these guys are the first to complain why they are not moving up, but do not do the things it takes to learn from others. I cannot imagine a game without us talking about some play afterwards on some level.

Peace

Yup. The best post-games involve a sandwich and a beer. I love talking about the game and sometimes it's nice to put the game aside for 20-30 minutes while you shower, change, etc. and pick up the conversation at the restaurant / watering hole you head to afterwards.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One of my biggest pet peeves are the JV or prelim guys leave right after the game. Some do not even get out of the clothes they officiated in and are in the car before the game following starts. That is how I learned from veterans was to stick around and talk to them and learn from what they did on the floor. And then these guys are the first to complain why they are not moving up, but do not do the things it takes to learn from others. I cannot imagine a game without us talking about some play afterwards on some level.

Peace

When I was coming up if the Varsity crew had officials on it that I respected I always stayed around until at least through halftime. I would go in with the varsity crew listen to their halftime thoughts then grab my bag and leave.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

When I was coming up if the Varsity crew had officials on it that I respected I always stayed around until at least through halftime. I would go in with the varsity crew listen to their halftime thoughts then grab my bag and leave.

We have made it a requirement for all new officials to stay through halftime of the varsity and listen in on the halftime discussion 3 times during the season. There is a mechanism that we use to track this.

It is not a huge commitment over the season, and it helps in the development and retention of those who want to take it seriously.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

We have made it a requirement for all new officials to stay through halftime of the varsity and listen in on the halftime discussion 3 times during the season. There is a mechanism that we use to track this.

It is not a huge commitment over the season, and it helps in the development and retention of those who want to take it seriously.

I like this a lot.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

We have made it a requirement for all new officials to stay through halftime of the varsity and listen in on the halftime discussion 3 times during the season. There is a mechanism that we use to track this.

It is not a huge commitment over the season, and it helps in the development and retention of those who want to take it seriously.

I assume you're talking about the probationary member observation report function on RefTown. Have yet to see any stick around for the varsity games I have done so far.....in a couple instances the JV officials didn't even come to the locker room to let us know their game was finished. Do you have a mechanism to close the loop?

Have a Merry Christmas my friend - see you next week!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

I assume you're talking about the probationary member observation report function on RefTown. Have yet to see any stick around for the varsity games I have done so far.....in a couple instances the JV officials didn't even come to the locker room to let us know their game was finished. Do you have a mechanism to close the loop?

Have a Merry Christmas my friend - see you next week!

Here, everyone dresses in the same locker room. The loop closes itself.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

Have yet to see any stick around for the varsity games I have done so far!

Do we not have any officials who are also simply fans of the game and enjoy watching? No matter what the level, I almost always stay to watch a game (or two) after mine simply for the game itself. If there is opportunity to confer with the officials of that game, that's an added perk.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Do we not have any officials who are also simply fans of the game and enjoy watching? No matter what the level, I almost always stay to watch a game (or two) after mine simply for the game itself. If there is opportunity to confer with the officials of that game, that's an added perk.

After my game, I wanted to stay for at least one period of the varsity game to see how a crew of three worked and how they positioned themselves and such. I ended up staying until halftime.

My next game is a freshman game and game one of a triple-header. At present, I'm undecided on staying to watch a quarter of the JV game.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by TimTaylor

I assume you're talking about the probationary member observation report function on RefTown. Have yet to see any stick around for the varsity games I have done so far.....in a couple instances the JV officials didn't even come to the locker room to let us know their game was finished. Do you have a mechanism to close the loop?

Have a Merry Christmas my friend - see you next week!

Perhaps you could contact them a day or two prior to the game and ask if they would like to stick around and have them make some observations on your game?

The officials are supposed to stay and at least come in to give that information as per the Commish. If that is not the case, here is what I do for a game that starts at 7:30p, we head for the floor prior to 7:15p.

It is not their job, although it is a professional courtesy, to tell me when they are done. They may have circumstances that require them to be elsewhere. Even in the instances that the officials do come in, they typically don't know how much time was put on the clock. In most situations the clock & game management just put the minimum of 15 minutes on the clock.

Just like when game mgt says they will come get us at 3 minutes. We are supposed to be on the floor at 3, so I will ask for them to get us at 4. But it is on me/us to be on the floor at 3.

I am responsible for my actions, not the actions of others.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The officials are supposed to stay and at least come in to give that information as per the Commish. If that is not the case, here is what I do for a game that starts at 7:30p, we head for the floor prior to 7:15p.

It is not their job, although it is a professional courtesy, to tell me when they are done. They may have circumstances that require them to be elsewhere. Even in the instances that the officials do come in, they typically don't know how much time was put on the clock. In most situations the clock & game management just put the minimum of 15 minutes on the clock.

Just like when game mgt says they will come get us at 3 minutes. We are supposed to be on the floor at 3, so I will ask for them to get us at 4. But it is on me/us to be on the floor at 3.

I am responsible for my actions, not the actions of others.

Agree, and I do the same. The only time it can be a problem is if things are way behind schedule and we don't know when our game will start.

If there is a game following ours, I've always made it a point to let those officials know ours is done and how much, if any time was put on the clock, although usually they haven't gotten that far by the time we're out of the court area. At least it gives them a frame of reference.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One of my biggest pet peeves are the JV or prelim guys leave right after the game. Some do not even get out of the clothes they officiated in and are in the car before the game following starts. That is how I learned from veterans was to stick around and talk to them and learn from what they did on the floor. And then these guys are the first to complain why they are not moving up, but do not do the things it takes to learn from others. I cannot imagine a game without us talking about some play afterwards on some level.

Peace

I'm not sure how it is in other parts, but often times guys working the JV games are also Varsity Level officials. I never assume when I am working a varsity game the crew that just got done isn't capable of replacing me. I know in some cases, we have JV crews that prefer working the earlier games because it allows them to get home to their families. It's possible that some officials who leave early, can't commit additional time because of other responsibilities.

[Zoochy]

Wanna hear something that will stun you? I was told by a senior official. I was not allowed in the locker room if is was not a game I was officiating. So do not come back into the locker room at half time of the Varsity game. Take your bag with you when you leave after your game.
If I was allowed in the locker room, they wanted me to learn from listening. A lot of times they never talked about the game they were officiating. Thus a waste of my time. Geeez

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Wanna hear something that will stun you? I was told by a senior official. I was not allowed in the locker room if is was not a game I was officiating. So do not come back into the locker room at half time of the Varsity game. Take your bag with you when you leave after your game.
If I was allowed in the locker room, they wanted me to learn from listening. A lot of times they never talked about the game they were officiating. Thus a waste of my time. Geeez

I have never seen, nor heard of, any officials being disallowed from the locker room of any game, even if they didn't work that day at that gym.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have never seen, nor heard of, any officials being disallowed from the locker room of any game, even if they didn't work that day at that gym.

Trust me. I still have the email to prove it.
I do not see much interaction between JV officials and the Varsity officials. And if there is conversation, then it usually does not pertain to basketball. So I carefully pick and choose if I talk basketball plays/rules with officials that either follow my game or preceed my game. I also try to chat with my partners after each game. i would say about 1/2 will take part in discussion.