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ref3808 Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:18pm

1. Players on the floor call time outs ... not coaches.
2. Alternating possessions. Let 'em jump. I don't like it when the offense exposes the ball and/or the defense makes a good play to tie it up it and the outcome is determined by an arrow.
3. Play the release, not the rim on free throws.

And if you really want to know ... I hate the three point line, the restricted area in the NCAA and in the NBE the defensive three second.

I think that's it.

Welpe Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 868085)
The "strap" that hangs over the basket is inbounds.

It could be just me being dense, but I'm not picturing what you're talking about.

Raymond Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 868073)
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Can you explain your rationale? A1 is given 1 and 1 when it should be two free throws. A1 misses the first one, A2 gets the rebound and scores. The horn sounds, the officials realize it should have been two shots for A1, but he can't shoot them because A2 scored. Is that what you mean?

Your recap is my rationale :D If the officials hadn't erred Team A would not have scored FG. I just don't like the feel of a team having a throw-in when then they should have been shooting 1-and-1, they hit a three, the horn sounds, now they hit 2 free throws. A 5-point play b/c of an officiating error.

I just feel that if they score on a possession that should never have occurred then it is redundant to then go back and give them some free throws.

(and please, no one re-hash the old "the other team's coach should have spoken up" crappola argument :) )

APG Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:43pm

Get rid of 95 percent of the uniform rules that NFHS passes off on officials. Also in a perfect world, I wouldn't mind the shot clock and/or restricted area.

Rich Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:45pm

I would extend correctable errors to include giving the wrong team the ball on the throw-in.

HawkeyeCubP Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:52pm

1. Shot clock added at least for varsity contests.
2. Have coach unsporting rules interpreted and applied as they are in FIBA.

I'm not opposed to the idea of going to actual jump balls on held balls, as well.

Bad Zebra Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 868091)
Get rid of 95 percent of the uniform rules that NFHS passes off on officials...

+1

It's hard enough getting all the other rules memorized. I hate having to worry about the stupid color of a headband or where a logo appears.

Bird Dog Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 868087)
1. Players on the floor call time outs ... not coaches.
2. Alternating possessions. Let 'em jump. I don't like it when the offense exposes the ball and/or the defense makes a good play to tie it up it and the outcome is determined by an arrow.
3. Play the release, not the rim on free throws.

I think that's it.

I like #2… LOVE #1 & #3!!

I would allow iPads (and the like) for bench coaching. Maybe not to play video - some schools with good cash flow and/or adept AV departments vs. schools without could be at (significantly) greater advantage. But to use as a whiteboard, no problem.

Adam Thu Dec 20, 2012 04:58pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868092)
I would extend correctable errors to include giving the wrong team the ball on the throw-in.

I like this one, but I would change the expiration on it to a change of possession.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 868087)
1. Players on the floor call time outs ... not coaches.
2. Alternating possessions. Let 'em jump. I don't like it when the offense exposes the ball and/or the defense makes a good play to tie it up it and the outcome is determined by an arrow.
3. Play the release, not the rim on free throws.

And if you really want to know ... I hate the three point line, the restricted area in the NCAA and in the NBE the defensive three second.

I think that's it.


#1...great idea.

#2....your rationale doesn't make sense. If the defense had really made such a good play, they'd have stolen the ball rather than had shared control with the offense. The defense (and offense) really made a 50/50 play. A jump ball might be a good result anyway, but not for the reason you give.

#3....it isn't broke, don't fix it. For many HS officials, this gets officiated a lot better.

BillyMac Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:06pm

Have These Guys Ever Officiated A Girls Middle School Game ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 868087)
Alternating possessions. Let 'em jump.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 868093)
I'm not opposed to the idea of going to actual jump balls on held balls.

How has Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. been able to post under the name of both ref3808, and HawkeyeCubP? Does he think that just because he's a moderator, that he can take over anybody's Forum username, and post under that username?

BillyMac Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:13pm

Never In A Million Years ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 868070)
Only players on the court can request a time out!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 868087)
Players on the floor call time outs, not coaches.

Great rule change. However, as long as coaches sit on the NFHS rules committee, the only way that they will give up this right is if you pry it from their cold, dead hands.

Welpe Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 868093)
I'm not opposed to the idea of going to actual jump balls on held balls, as well.

As somebody that just worked a couple of girl's 7th grade games with a thousand held balls, I still would be in favor of this.

In the boys games, we in this area see very few held balls so I think an occasional jump would not be a big deal.

Go to the NBA style of inbounding the balls at the end of the quarters based upon home/visitor and ditch the arrow I say.

BillyMac Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:16pm

Take That Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. ...
 
No more jump balls. Not to start the game. Not to start overtimes. None. Period. No more jump balls. Flip a coin. Or give it to the visitors first. Or give it to the home team first. Or have the captains play rock, paper, scissors. It doesn't matter, as long as you do away with all jump balls. No more jump balls. Any questions about where I stand on this issue?

kwv001 Thu Dec 20, 2012 05:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by loudwhistle2 (Post 868070)
only players on the court can request a time out!

+1,000,000


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