fc/bc

cmathews · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:06pm

Posting this as a favor for another official in our area.

Two situations listed...ruling in each situation and differnce between the two please.

sit 1
A1 spot throw in from the FC area. Throws the ball in and it is tipped by B1 in the front court, then tipped by A2 in the front court causing the ball to go to the backcourt where A2 then goes and retrieves the ball.

A1 spot throw in from the same FC area. Throws the ball in and it is tipped by B1 in the front court then A2 jumps from front court controls the ball and lands in the back court.

thanks in advance BBR I am counting on you here

Raymond · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:19pm

Why didn't you help your buddy out?

The 2nd play is a casebook play I believe.

The first one has been discussed so much any forum member should know the answer to that one just based off the conversations.

Camron Rust · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:21pm

#1. Legal

#2. Backcourt Violation.

Reasons...

#1. No team control while the ball had frontcourt status. Thus, no backcourt violation.

Despite the confusion created by the NFHS, the redux is there is effectively/essentially no team control on a throwin. However, a foul that occurs during a throwin is considered a team control foul. This is not unlike how a foul by an airborne shooter who has released the try is still a player control foul even though there is no player control.

#2. Team control was established by A2 when A2 caught the ball while haivng frontcout status (A2 jumped from A's frontcount). The exception on the throwin ended when B1 tipped the ball.

cmathews · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:36pm

BNR thanks for the help........

I am helping my buddy out by posting here, as he wants to hear other opinions. Yes I know the answer and the differences, but didn't want to taint the water by posting them in my post.

Cameron thanks for the response...this part of the crux of our discussion back here in ole wyo.....what exception are you talking about

However the key isn't that team control is established by what A2 does in situation two...it is that player control is established and his location when it is established???

Camron Rust · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:24pm

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Originally Posted by cmathews

BNR thanks for the help........

I am helping my buddy out by posting here, as he wants to hear other opinions. Yes I know the answer and the differences, but didn't want to taint the water by posting them in my post.

Cameron thanks for the response...this part of the crux of our discussion back here in ole wyo.....what exception are you talking about

However the key isn't that team control is established by what A2 does in situation two...it is that player control is established and his location when it is established???

No, it is his location and team control that is required by the rule to have a backcourt violation. It is just coincidental that player control also starts team control if it doesn't already exist.

Forget the current wording of the backcourt rule...go back 2-3 years and use that wording for team control issues as it relates to anything except fouls.

BillyMac · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:36pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Go back 2-3 years and use that wording for team control issues as it relates to anything except fouls.

Have fun with this advice rookies.

bob jenkins · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by cmathews

of the crux of our discussion back here in ole wyo.....what exception are you talking about

There are three exceptions to the BC rules (that is, plays that would otherwise be a violation are not a violation in these cases):

1) Throw in
2) Jump ball
3) Defensive player.

The first two apply only to the first person to touch the ball.

So in your play, B2 tipped the ball, then A2 grabbbed it in the air (from the FC) and landed in the BC. The exception does not apply -- violation.

If B2 had not tipped the ball, then the exception would apply and it would be a legal play.

cmathews · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:28pm

What you are saying is the exception involves the jumping from front to back court correct? in either of those three situations you listed, IE jump ball throwin and defensive player...

Adam · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:56pm

Correct. So a player jumping back to front does not get the exception.

Raymond · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:57pm

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Originally Posted by Adam

Correct. So a player jumping back to front does not get the exception.

Why would that player need an exception?