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just another ref Thu Dec 13, 2012 02:39am

Overkill
 
I worked with a partner tonight with whom I had almost no experience. He's no kid, but he's younger than I am, and really bubbling with a childlike enthusiasm for the job. I found him to be quite competent, obviously having more experience with 3 man than the rest of us, and the calling of the game itself went nicely. But, from the get-go, it was like he was miked and filming a documentary. When we walked on the court, he gave a tweet and announced: "Sheriff's in town," with a big grin. He then proceeded to get out his magnifying glass as he viewed the warmup.

"Tuck in that drawstring." "Get those pins out of your hair." etc.

"No, no," pointing to a headband, "You have to turn that Nike symbol over."

The girl looked at him like he had two heads. He turned to me. (I was the R)
"Are you going to allow that?" "Allow what?" (making sure that's what he was referring to....it was) I told him one logo was allowed. He assured me that on a headband it was not. I told him I wouldn't bet the farm but I thought I was right and I certainly was not going to deny it.

But the clencher was at the start of the fourth quarter. I saw him speak to both coaches, obviously relaying information. He was telling them how many timeouts they had left. After the game I asked what that was all about, and he said that it was "in the manual."

Is it? Is this an FIBA thing? I believe he said he had "international experience."

JeroenB Thu Dec 13, 2012 04:51am

Don't think it's a FIBA thing. I think FIBA is more lenient than NFHS/NCAA when it comes to clothing/garment rules. Also I'm pretty sure there isn't any FIBA manual telling you to inform the coach of the TO's he has left. At least I've never heard of it.

grunewar Thu Dec 13, 2012 04:59am

You just worked with, "That Guy!" :(

Nevadaref Thu Dec 13, 2012 07:11am

Tell him to switch to decaf.

It is nice to have an enthusiastic partner, but not one who is spastic.

BillyMac Thu Dec 13, 2012 07:41am

Who Was That Masked Man ???
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 866552)
When we walked on the court, he gave a tweet and announced: "Sheriff's in town," with a big grin.

Transfer from Texas?

That Guy Thu Dec 13, 2012 08:05am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 866556)
You just worked with, "That Guy!" :(

Nope. I had the night off.

RookieDude Thu Dec 13, 2012 08:54am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 866552)
He was telling them how many timeouts they had left. After the game I asked what that was all about, and he said that it was "in the manual."

Is it? Is this an FIBA thing? I believe he said he had "international experience."

Rule 2-7-11

The officials shall conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes:

Notifying the head coach when a team is granted its final allowable time-out.

grunewar Thu Dec 13, 2012 08:57am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 866587)
Rule 2-7-11

The officials shall conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes:

Notifying the head coach when a team is granted its final allowable time-out.

There's a difference between notifying the coaches "how many timeouts they have left" and notifying a coach "they don't have any remaining timeouts."

i.e - You wouldn't say, "Coach you have three timeouts remaining." But, you would say, "Coach, that was your last timeout."

Welpe Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:11am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 866552)
"Get those pins out of your hair."

Well I guess at least he had one thing right but sounds like a rather unhappy experience.

MD Longhorn Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:15am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 866588)
There's a difference between notifying the coaches "how many timeouts they have left" and notifying a coach "they don't have any remaining timeouts."

i.e - You wouldn't say, "Coach you have three timeouts remaining." But, you would say, "Coach, that was your last timeout."

I believe that is exactly what RD was trying to point out.

Loudwhistle2 Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:56am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 866576)
Transfer from Texas?

I was thinking more like Nevada!:D

just another ref Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:59am

I am one of those, who, in the last minute of a close game will check with the table and tell both coaches what they have left, whether they are out or not. I believe some here say that that is too much/not necessary/ maybe even a bad idea. (if you happen to tell them wrong information, it is worse than no information at all)

But does anybody know of anything written anywhere which says to do this at the start of the 4th quarter? And as a lesser side note, if there is such a requirement, it sounded like a duty of the R, which he was not.

zm1283 Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:59am

I work with a guy about once a year that is not as strict with everything as the guy in the OP, but he is extremely loud. I am all for being verbal and communicating, but he makes sure the entire gym hears everything. He also gets in a hurry a lot when reporting and just generally looks frazzled.

Adam Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 866552)
"Get those pins out of your hair." etc.

This is a problem?

OKREF Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:09pm

If it is a close and we have a timeout, I always check the table to make sure score is right and then notify each coach that they have x amount of timeouts left. Just a courtesy.


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