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JugglingReferee Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:40am

Travel on Hail Mary
 
Is there a travel on the hail mary?

If so, would you call it? Before or after it goes in?

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bob jenkins Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:49am

I dont see a travel

constable Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:59am

I don't see a travel either.

If there was a travel you call it the second the person travels. Don't wait to see if the ball goes in. Just like if you're not going to count it because time expires kill it immediately.

Amesman Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by constable (Post 865076)
i don't see a travel either.

If there was a travel you call it the second the person travels. Don't wait to see if the ball goes in. Just like if you're not going to count it because time expires kill it immediately.

+1

twocentsworth Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:20pm

travel? where?.....if I watched this 100 times, I wouldn't be able to find a travel.

OKREF Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:31pm

I don't see a travel either.

Adam Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:33pm

Nope. But if it was, you call it right away, no need to wait for the ball to travel 90 feet.

It looks like, maybe, he got it with his left foot down and his right up, then steps with the left, but I'm saying maybe after watching it a dozen times in replay. Real time, first time, it wasn't something I'd even think.about.

Is that what the coach is bullhorning about?

Camron Rust Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 865096)
Nope. But if it was, you call it right away, no need to wait for the ball to travel 90 feet.

It looks like, maybe, he got it with his left foot down and his right up, then steps with the left, but I'm saying maybe after watching it a dozen times in replay. Real time, first time, it wasn't something I'd even think.about.

Is that what the coach is bullhorning about?

Agree. That is pretty much what I thought. I slow motion stop frame, he only "may" have traveled...and if it is till that close upon review, the play on the field stands as called.

The coach may have been pleading that time expired. It didn't but the release was about 0.1 or 0.2....about as close as you can get without it being too late.

tjones1 Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:45pm

Echo: I don't have a travel.

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 865096)
Nope. But if it was, you call it right away, no need to wait for the ball to travel 90 feet.

It looks like, maybe, he got it with his left foot down and his right up, then steps with the left, but I'm saying maybe after watching it a dozen times in replay. Real time, first time, it wasn't something I'd even think.about.

Is that what the coach is bullhorning about?

I happen to have no idea. I just thought it was close and it was a great play.

BillyMac Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:25pm

Definite ???
 
If you're sure that he traveled, then sound you whistle right away. If you're not sure that he traveled, then don't call it, and enjoy the show.

jump stop Wed Dec 05, 2012 08:59pm

If you have a travel then explain the rule he violated. He gathered the ball with one foot on the ground(his right foot). If he gathered the ball with one foot on floor he has 3 options:
1) he can remain standing on one foot (which he didn't)
2) He can jump off of this foot and land on 2 feet simultaneously( which he didn't )
3) He can step with other foot(his left foot), thus establishing pivot foot( foot that was first on ground when he caught ball, right foot) , he can then pick up pivot foot (which he did) but he must release ball with pass or shot(which he did).

You have to be able to explain using these rules to the core. These rules are well thought out and genius. Amazing how many people don't understand these. They just go by "it looks like a travel" .

Adam Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jump stop (Post 865226)
If you have a travel then explain the rule he violated. He gathered the ball with one foot on the ground(his right foot). If he gathered the ball with one foot on floor he has 3 options:
1) he can remain standing on one foot (which he didn't)
2) He can jump off of this foot and land on 2 feet simultaneously( which he didn't )
3) He can step with other foot(his left foot), thus establishing pivot foot( foot that was first on ground when he caught ball, right foot) , he can then pick up pivot foot (which he did) but he must release ball with pass or shot(which he did).

You have to be able to explain using these rules to the core. These rules are well thought out and genius. Amazing how many people don't understand these. They just go by "it looks like a travel" .

Your initial premise is not a given. If the officials had called a travel and said the ball was gathered sooner, with the left foot down, I couldn't argue with that based on the video.

BLydic Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:08am

Looks like the big kid with the ball at the beginning of the clip travels ...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 09, 2012 07:31pm

I did see a travel, but it was by the White player who attempted the three-point FGA that Blue rebounded just prior to flinging the ball toward Blue's basketball for the buzzer beater.

MTD, Sr.


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