Say what?

JRutledge · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:23pm

What did your partner say in the locker room? Did he/she say anything about what communication was given? Better yet, did you discuss the spot amongst each other during the timeout? I do not see this as just your partner's fault if it was granted and never communicated to the crew.

Peace

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

What did your partner say in the locker room? Did he/she say anything about what communication was given? Better yet, did you discuss the spot amongst each other during the timeout? I do not see this as just your partner's fault if it was granted and never communicated to the crew.

Peace

Honestly, I'd never even consider that my partner would give a coach such horribly inaccurate information, so I wouldn't even know to cut it off.

rekent · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by adam

honestly, i'd never even consider that my partner would give a coach such horribly inaccurate information, so i wouldn't even know to cut it off.

+1

Incredible that someone doing a BV game would even entertain the thought of half-court throw-in.

jdmara · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:47pm

It is astonishing that things like this happen but they do. The solution to the problem in the future is to ALWAYS get together during the crucial time of the game and discuss it. I was working a game last week with two DI officials and although they knew exactly what was going to happen, we discussed the situation at every full timeout.

-Josh

BillyMac · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:37pm

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:43pm

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Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

I am not a fan of putting the ball down. There are too many people that can mess with the ball or trip over the ball like cheerleaders. I would rather hold onto the ball and tell the coach the spot. Because in your situation the ball can be moved by someone and then what? I would rather them hear it from us where the spot is if we have to leave the spot to talk near the end of the game. Otherwise I stand near the spot and will not stand near the benches either.

Peace

BillyMac · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not a fan of putting the ball down. There are too many people that can mess with the ball or trip over the ball like cheerleaders. Because in your situation the ball can be moved by someone and then what?

Others on the Forum, in the past, have criticized me on this point before. Thirty-two years. No one has ever moved the basketball. Never ever.

Raymond · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

Why doesn't the "off" official come to the throw-in spot instead the administering official leaving the ball?

BillyMac · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 03:00pm

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Why doesn't the "off" official come to the throw-in spot instead the administering official leaving the ball?

That's what usually happens, but sometimes the official at the throwin spot will initiate the conference, and he probably doesn't want to use the unapproved "come hither" signal. We also like to have one person near the division line to deal questions regarding substitutes, team fouls, timeouts, clock issues, when do we get our checks, where's the nearest local joint where we can get an adult beverage after the game, etc.

Forksref · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:22pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even with Connecticut being the last bastion of the two person game, we always have one of the two officials at the spot where the ball will be inbounded, with the ball in hand. The other official will be at the division line, on one, or the other, side of the jump ball circle. If for some reason we need to get together to discuss something, the ball is left at the spot of the throwin. If the coach wants to know where the ball will be inbounded, it will always be where the ball is, 100% of the time.

If I have to, I set the ball on the floor at the inbounds spot. It's a good indication of where the inbounds spot is and I've never had anyone touch the ball. If I am at the spot, I hold the ball on the side of me where the spot will be. We will at least make eye contact and point to the spot. If we talk, we say WHO has the ball and WHERE. Good habits come in handy at crucial times.

BillyMac · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 08:26pm

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If I am at the spot, I hold the ball on the side of me where the spot will be.

We have been instructed to hold the ball either in front of our body, or behind our body, if the throwin is on an endline, to remind us which way the ball is going. Similarly, on the sideline, hold the ball on one side, or the other.

Raymond · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:43pm

Honestly, I've never known an HS varsity official to use the phrase "inbound the ball" instead of "throw-in".

BZ68 "relays" the info to the table? I usually "report" time-outs, not relay info.

Coach asks "trail" instead of asking the "new lead"?

I'm doubting the veracity of portions of this accounting.

blindzebra68 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 02:59pm

You are totally correct...I just phrased it wrong. I apologize for that. I'm in my 9th year of varsity and I should have worded it better.

JRutledge · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:44pm

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Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, I'd never even consider that my partner would give a coach such horribly inaccurate information, so I wouldn't even know to cut it off.

I agree, but I still make that clear every single time there is a timeout and really make sure when I am the administering official. For one I would be standing in the spot or plane of the spot with the ball. And with 2.5 seconds we would be talking as well to make sure we know who has the last second shot and cover possible situations that need to be shared. And not everyone that works varsity is the best of the best, so I would not assume much of anything. That is also why I asked what did the partner say he/she told the coach. It is possible that they did not tell them the information and the coach assumed something (and they should know better too) rather than knowing the rule. I am just saying this is a perfect example of why you talk to each other so that if anyone is misinformed you can give them the proper information. Heck you can do this multiple times if multiple timeouts are called in the last minute or so.

And most of all, we need to grow some (whatever that might be). Who gives a damn what the coach is yelling about when you are for sure right and even if you are not right, who gives a damn what they think anyway?

Peace

Adam · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 03, 2012, 01:46pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree, but I still make that clear every single time there is a timeout and really make sure when I am the administering official. For one I would be standing in the spot or plane of the spot with the ball. And with 2.5 seconds we would be talking as well to make sure we know who has the last second shot and cover possible situations that need to be shared. And not everyone that works varsity is the best of the best, so I would not assume much of anything. That is also why I asked what did the partner say he/she told the coach. It is possible that they did not tell them the information and the coach assumed something (and they should know better too) rather than knowing the rule. I am just saying this is a perfect example of why you talk to each other so that if anyone is misinformed you can give them the proper information. Heck you can do this multiple times if multiple timeouts are called in the last minute or so.

Peace

I agree, and this is something I'm trying to work on this year as well. I want to be more proactive with communicating throw-in spots after a timeout. Let my partner know before the TO is even reported. Stand at the spot with a neon sign if I have to.