NFHS - scorekeeper shirt - issues?

[Matt S.]

Thanks for all the responses; we are following similar protocal in Nebraska--emailing assignor and/or state, depending on who assigns the game.

I guess my real beef is with the Federation--why write a rule and not put anything behind it? With the hair/headband stuff, we can have the player sit; with non-unsporting situations, we can still issue a T; obviously none of us want to be the bad guy, but like I said in the OP, it just puts us in a lousy position...

[APG]

I dunno how you're put in a lousy spot...ask if the scorer will be wearing the required stripped shirt. If not, report to the proper authorities. About as simple as it gets without anyone raising an issue.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by APG

I dunno how you're put in a lousy spot...ask if the scorer will be wearing the required stripped shirt. If not, report to the proper authorities. About as simple as it gets without anyone raising an issue.

Like a tear away jersey?

[VaTerp]

Why on earth would we as officials want to get any more involved in what someone at the table is wearing or have to issue a T for something like this?

As someone else stated, it does not put us in an kind of spot and is VERY simple. They have a shirt, great. They don't have it, send an email to your commish/assignor.

And why some people feel the need to bring an extra shirt is also beyond me. One of my partners did this my first game of the year. The table already had the shirt and the extra shirt somehow disappeared. So now the guy lost a shirt because he was trying to do too much.

This reminds me of the guys who will ask kids if sleeves are for medical reasons. Some people just go looking for problems.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Some people just go looking for problems.

Yeah. Plumbers.

[grunewar]

Tonight our Association supplied the timer (striped shirt) and the home team supplied the score keeper (striped shirt).

Next to the score keeper on the back of a chair were three other striped shirts in M, L, and XL......just in case I guess.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Thanks for all the responses; we are following similar protocal in Nebraska--emailing assignor and/or state, depending on who assigns the game.

I guess my real beef is with the Federation--why write a rule and not put anything behind it? With the hair/headband stuff, we can have the player sit; with non-unsporting situations, we can still issue a T; obviously none of us want to be the bad guy, but like I said in the OP, it just puts us in a lousy position...

Not everything is about the NF. I am sure each state has a policy to handle this or to ignore it based on their member schools or personally situations. And it is silly to penalize a team when in many cases the teams are not responsible for such action. In the playoffs for example it is very possible that no teams are responsible for who is playing. So why create a rule to penalize someone when there would be an inappropriate penalty?

Peace

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Thanks for all the responses; we are following similar protocal in Nebraska--emailing assignor and/or state, depending on who assigns the game.

I guess my real beef is with the Federation--why write a rule and not put anything behind it? With the hair/headband stuff, we can have the player sit; with non-unsporting situations, we can still issue a T; obviously none of us want to be the bad guy, but like I said in the OP, it just puts us in a lousy position...

This isn't the only rule without teeth. By rule, the official scorebook must stay at the table, but there is no penalty... unless it was removed as an unsporting act (See case 2.11.11).

As for the new rule requiring the striped shirt, here is something from the NFHS interpretations for 2012-13:

SITUATION 8: Team A is hosting the contest. The official scorekeeper is wearing a red shirt to match that of the coaching staff of Team A. The referee of the officiating crew asks the scorekeeper to wear a vertically striped garment. The scorekeeper refuses to change his/her garment to honor the request of the official.
RULING: The contest should be played and the situation reported to the school's administration and to the state office.
COMMENT: There is not a penalty associated with this rule. The intent of the rule is to quickly identify the official scorekeeper at the table. (2-11-12)

At our last officials meeting, our trainer indicated a report of concern should be filed with the MHSAA. I imagine other states will handle it differently.

[Rich Ives]

The Yankees and Phillies have vertically striped home jerseys. Would wearing one of them be acceptable?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The Yankees and Phillies have vertically striped home jerseys. Would wearing one of them be acceptable?

If those teams change their team colors to black and white.

[piranhadawn]

Ive only seen one game where they were not wearing the black white striped garment.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

With the hair/headband stuff, we can have the player sit.

Great idea. If the officials scorekeeper doesn't have, or refuses to wear, a black and white vertically stripped shirt, then have him sit down. Yeah. That'll teach him.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Thanks for all the responses; we are following similar protocal in Nebraska--emailing assignor and/or state, depending on who assigns the game.

I guess my real beef is with the Federation--why write a rule and not put anything behind it? With the hair/headband stuff, we can have the player sit; with non-unsporting situations, we can still issue a T; obviously none of us want to be the bad guy, but like I said in the OP, it just puts us in a lousy position...

What teeth could possibly be put into it? A member of the officiating team is failing to abide by the rule. Do we call a T on the referees? The scorekeeper isn't a member of either team so it's not possible to have a penalty.

[Rich]

What cracks me up is that these are people who are being paid (at least in my area) to be the scorers and yet they expect the schools to buy their shirts.

When will someone buy my shirts?

[RadioBlue]

Worked a JH Girls Sectional final last week. The official scorer had on the stripes!
So did the timekeeper. [facepalm]