Joey Crawford....I think he called a block

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

OHSAA has told us explicitly NOT to do this mechanic.

I hear that opinion a lot, and then no one hardly says a word when done on a call. Like others said I would do the same as Joey other than the running half way up the court or the frequency, but the fist part would be done the exact same. I do not have the time to fix my hands in a way where they can be open and touch my hips.

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hear that opinion a lot, and then no one hardly says a word when done on a call. Like others said I would do the same as Joey other than the running half way up the court or the frequency, but the fist part would be done the exact same. I do not have the time to fix my hands in a way where they can be open and touch my hips.

Peace

To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.

[APG]

Just want to state that this isn't par for any signaling in the NBA or Joe Crawford

[drofficial]

And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

[APG]

Originally Posted by drofficial

And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.

Not necessarily saying it wasn't a travel...just that per NBA rules, he identified the wrong foot as the pivot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drofficial

And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

Could be so kind as to tell us how the travelling rules are written for the NBA?

[APG]

Here's the play with slow motion at the end and an extra camera angle shown (the only other one they broadcasted):

[rekent]

Originally Posted by APG

You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

Thank you, was just thinking the same thing.

And wasn't this horse beaten to death and beyond in the other thread?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by drofficial

And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

Not in the NBA. Methinks you should reread the travel rule.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.

To be blunt...

I have officiated in three parts of the country - I have belonged to 5 high school associations due to military assignments. From my collective experience, when someone is worried about this - with all the other stuff we have to worry about in high school basketball - they normally suck at officiating.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by tomegun

To be blunt...

I have officiated in three parts of the country - I have belonged to 5 high school associations due to military assignments. From my collective experience, when someone is worried about this - with all the other stuff we have to worry about in high school basketball - they normally suck at officiating.

Tell that to our commissioners that got poed watching this antic at at the state finals a few years ago and was brought up explicitly at the next state meeting.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Tell that to our commissioners that got poed watching this antic at at the state finals a few years ago and was brought up explicitly at the next state meeting.

Let me ask you this: does your association have bigger fish to fry? Are the powers that be that don't like this still officiating? If so, are they good?

What would you choose:

a. A great official that uses the "fist to hips" block signal repeatedly
b. A good official that has good signals
c. An average official that has great signals

I'm not saying you can't have one without the other, but we are often guilty of worrying about the ants instead of taking care of the elephants.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Let me ask you this: does your association have bigger fish to fry? Are the powers that be that don't like this still officiating? If so, are they good?

What would you choose:

a. A great official that uses the "fist to hips" block signal repeatedly
b. A good official that has good signals
c. An average official that has great signals

I'm not saying you can't have one without the other, but we are often guilty of worrying about the ants instead of taking care of the elephants.

These are the guys in charge of the state tournament and are not current officials.