HA-HA!! I knew somebody would jump on that!! And actually -- I think we'll have to see the rule changes for this year.

My understanding is that they changed the definition of "team control foul" and deleted ALL the changes they made last year regarding control. So I think (I haven't seen the rulebook yet) that there is, once again, no player control or team control during a throw-in.

I knew I could bait somebody into that one :D

Or, B1 commits a shooting foul. While the ball is in the air, B2 and A2 commit a double foul.

Yup, started work five hours earlier than normal this morning. Sleep schedule a bit hazy.

Well...assuming NFHS doesn't change any language as it relates to double foul enforcement, we'd still handle the play the same, even if they did away with player/team control during a throw-in.

True, but it would be one more of many examples of situations when there is no TC but you would not go AP on a DF. And those who insist on AP in all such situations will have one more chance to be wrong.

Why do you assume they are mutually exclusive?

This is right in the rule book. If whoever is having this discussion doesn't believe what's in the rule book I don't see why they would believe some dudes on the internet.

Correct. But I purposely added the part about no team control, just to see who would bite :)

I think this is the best way to interpret it...

Yup, we only go to the AP when POI cannot be determined & POI simply means, where would the ball be if we didnt blow our whistle.

Is there really? Didn't the NFHS rewrite the rules this to not actually say there was team control and all that entails but to only say that a foul during a throwin would be considered a team control foul? :);)

Uh, Camron, see post #16 :)

Yup, I went back and saw what NFHS released.

4-19-7: A team-control foul is a common foul committed by a team that has team control (including a member of the throw-in team from the start of the throw-in until player control is obtained inbounds).
Rationale: The committee adopted a team-control rule change for last season which introduced some complications for a number of other rules. These complications were handled through interpretations last year. The addition of this parenthetical statement allows all rules affected by the team control definition change last season to revert to their previous verbiage and brings the rule in line with the interpretations that were released last year.

I'll just say, I'll believe it when I actually see it in the rule book. I don't trust NFHS with some of their editoral changes. ;)

We can absolutely agree on that. But I'm hopeful.

Me too. Frankly, the committee screwed the proverbial pooch last year. Assuming everyone would get the memo was, in my experience, a stretch worthy of the Armstrong name.

I was responding to post #13. I read threads linearly and posted a reply to that post before I ever got to your post. Sometimes, when the reply might not be short, I scan the rest of the thread to see if there is a similar comment but if it is short, I don't waste my time.