Why not a dozen?

[MD Longhorn]

I like the idea I've heard floated around that you don't foul out the players at all ... but any foul over (5 in college, 6 in NBA) is a technical foul - 2 shots and the ball.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I like the idea I've heard floated around that you don't foul out the players at all ... but any foul over (5 in college, 6 in NBA) is a technical foul - 2 shots and the ball.

I works a men's wreck summer league that uses that very rule due to low numbers of players per team. I think it's fine for that scenario, but it is too radical a departure from the fundamental rules of the game for college or the NBE .

I think you would see excessive physical contact increase wherever that rule is applied...just my opinion. The 2 shot T would not be enough to deter some players from excessively hard fouls. Heck, fouling out doesn't even seem to deter some knuckleheads.

[dobbers]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I like the idea I've heard floated around that you don't foul out the players at all ... but any foul over (5 in college, 6 in NBA) is a technical foul - 2 shots and the ball.

Was that a rule in the 'ole ABA?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by dobbers

Was that a rule in the 'ole ABA?

I can't give an answer about the ABA, but the NBA uses a rule similar to what has been mentioned -- but only when a player fouls out and there are no more eligible substitutes.

Unlike NFHS and NCAA, the NBA does not allow a team to compete with fewer than 5 players in the game. So when a player fouls out and all other team members have been DQ'd or are unavailable due to injury, the player who has fouled out is allowed to stay in the game (I believe), but any future fouls he commits carry the double penalty.

Forget what I think. Here's the rule, from NBA.com:

Rule 3, Section 1:

Section I-Team
a. Each team shall consist of five players. No team may be reduced to less than five players. If a player in the game receives his sixth personal foul and all substitutes have already been disqualified, said player shall remain in the game and shall be charged with a personal and team foul. A technical foul also shall be assessed against his team. All subsequent personal fouls, including offensive fouls, shall be treated similarly. All players who have six or more personal fouls and remain in the game shall be treated similarly.

b. In the event that there are only five eligible players remaining and one of these players is injured and must leave the game or is ejected, he must be replaced by the last player who was disqualified by reason of receiving six personal fouls. Each subsequent requirement to replace an injured or ejected player will be treated in this inverse order. Any such re-entry into a game by a disqualified player shall be penalized by a technical foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by dobbers

Was that a rule in the 'ole ABA?

Unless I mistaken, I believe the ABA allowed 6 fouls and the NBA adopted it when the NBA ate the ABA.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Unless I mistaken, I believe the ABA allowed 6 fouls and the NBA adopted it when the NBA ate the ABA.

Which makes Wilt's feat of never fouling out even more remarkable.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Which makes Wilt's feat of never fouling out even more remarkable.

How about his feat of having slept with more than 20,000 women? That's not remarkable?

[fortmoney]

I guess I never really paid much attention before I started officiating but it is extremely painful to be the lone voice of reason among my friends and the people on TV. And its all sports, not just basketball. I've rarely seen sports bring out the best of people, but it almost always brings out the worst

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fortmoney

I guess I never really paid much attention before I started officiating but it is extremely painful to be the lone voice of reason among my friends and the people on TV. And its all sports, not just basketball.

Welcome to the club.

I've had the "that was the right call"/"the officials aren't corrupt" discussions many times before, with friends, family, you name it. And, I'll have them again.

You will be scoffed, and you will be dismissed as "defending the refs." However, if you don't say anything to counter their excessive emotion over logic, they'll only continue believing the myths. That's far worse, IMO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Welcome to the club.

I've had the "that was the right call"/"the officials aren't corrupt" discussions many times before, with friends, family, you name it. And, I'll have them again.

You will be scoffed, and you will be dismissed as "defending the refs." However, if you don't say anything to counter their excessive emotion over logic, they'll only continue believing the myths. That's far worse, IMO.

I think most of us have had these conversations. But watch out for the "I ref too" claims. You know the guy that has not officiated in several years, but only worked some intramural games while in college but somehow knows what an NBA official does at it relates to their training and background?

Quick very funny story. The other day I was having one of these discussions during one of the playoff games on FB. And I was talking on my friend's site with one of his friends and in the discussion of calling the officials corrupt, he mentioned that he officiated. Come to find out it was not for two years. This friend of my friend also claimed he was taught something at a clinic where I am on the committee for the state. Then when I asked him to be more specific and tell me who taught him a particular philosophy, he clearly started to back away when I told him exactly who I was and what my background was with the conference he was referencing. The guy was clearly caught in a lie and then tried to back off by saying, "Well I heard what I heard……blahblahblah." He obviously use the "I officiate" because he thought I would be impressed and take his words for it and just either agree with his claims or not call him on what he decided to divulge.

But that is what we go through with people when they know you are an official.

Peace