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just another ref Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:37pm

Why not a dozen?
 
After Pierce fouls out in overtime, Jeff Van Gundy had the following wisdom:

"This is why I am a proponent of seven fouls. A game like this shouldn't come down to foul trouble. It needs to be the best against the best."


Wow

bainsey Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:39pm

I took that to mean 7 fouls, if the game goes into OT.

fortmoney Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:39pm

I heard that too. He gets worse for me every game

bainsey Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:56pm

Even more, Magic & Broussard are saying the D-Wade should have "jumped into" Daniels on the last shot to draw the foul. Granted, Daniels had no LGP whatsoever, and was moving in the air somewhat laterally, but even if D-Wade came into him, shouldn't that still be a no-call?

KMBReferee Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:50pm

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Originally Posted by fortmoney (Post 844639)
I heard that too. He gets worse for me every game

That's why I'm starting to wonder if it's worth watching NBA games to listen to him abuse both the game and the sportscasting industry.

And then he claimed that foul was a "play-on"? What? Pierce ran right through him!

Camron Rust Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:50pm

Maybe they should just play the games under summer rules...no foul outs and running clock. :D

APG Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:38am

Dick Vitale has been a proponent of not DQing players for fouls as well.

JRutledge Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:42am

And the game would go to hell in a hand basket if that was the case. There would be no incentive to not foul people constantly and it would be used as a strategy to make the game what these guys cry about, a foul shooting contest.

This is why I have to roll my eyes every time JVG speaks. Because even if they had 7 fouls then people would complain if a player got 7 fouls.

Peace

APG Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:46am

Players don't even foul out that often as it is. You only hear of this when a player fouls out during a playoff game or during the tournament.

JRutledge Mon Jun 04, 2012 01:14am

Shaq used to foul out all the time and people suggested that more fouls should be called on him. People just want it both ways that is all.

Peace

APG Mon Jun 04, 2012 05:02am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 844644)
Even more, Magic & Broussard are saying the D-Wade should have "jumped into" Daniels on the last shot to draw the foul. Granted, Daniels had no LGP whatsoever, and was moving in the air somewhat laterally, but even if D-Wade came into him, shouldn't that still be a no-call?

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No...that's a foul call on the defense 99/100 times.

Bad Zebra Mon Jun 04, 2012 08:29am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 844644)
Even more, Magic & Broussard are saying the D-Wade should have "jumped into" Daniels on the last shot to draw the foul. Granted, Daniels had no LGP whatsoever, and was moving in the air somewhat laterally, but even if D-Wade came into him, shouldn't that still be a no-call?

I almost hurled the remote at the TV when I heard that one...Instead of getting an OPEN shot with a beautiful fake (which he did), these two geniuses advocate trying to draw a marginal, B.S. foul to win or tie by "jumping into" the defender. Had the shot gone in...these two would be babbling on and on about Wade doing the right thing...a brilliant decision...big time player...blah, blah, blah.

Between them and JVG's complete ignorance of ANYTHING related to the rules, I find myself talking to (yelling at) the TV more and more. My wife thinks I'm losing it. Next game will be watched with the volume off.

JugglingReferee Mon Jun 04, 2012 08:32am

Fed is (4 * 8) / 5 = 1 foul per 6.4 minutes.

NCAA is (2 * 20) / 5 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

FIBA is (4 * 10) / 5 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

NBA is (4 * 12) / 6 = 1 foul per 8 minutes.

But because the NBA does have a very strong entertainment element to the game, I would enjoy (only) a 7th foul for games that go to OT. (4 * 12) + 5) / 7 = 7.6, which is not much of a change.

stir22 Mon Jun 04, 2012 09:18am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 844679)
I Next game will be watched with the volume off.

i'm with everyone on vangundy. What i do is mute the tv, and find a radio station that's broadcasting the game. listen to the radio guys (almost always much better) and watch the game. can almost always find a station that is in sync with the tv. it's a win-win.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:12pm

I like the idea I've heard floated around that you don't foul out the players at all ... but any foul over (5 in college, 6 in NBA) is a technical foul - 2 shots and the ball.


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